News - Following Apple’s court victory Samsung shares drop $12 billion

[watercooled]

Thank god common sense prevailed, android ripped off ios beyond belief and its not right that samsung should profit from a bit of copy and paste...

Windows phone is significantly different from ios, and i quite like it, ios is unique and original, android is just a blatent copy that stole apples ideas, coppied the best bits, then bolted new bits on...if microsoft can make something comepletely different with windows phone, why cant samsung ,....they had an os before android ...why not develop that? Why steal ...for that matter htc, motorola etc are just as equally to blame as google, apple should go after google next and just ban android from existance until they can come up with something original

Shares in Apple or something? You may want to read through http://forums.hexus.net/general-disc...oves-jury.html before claiming Apple is the poor, innocent party - they're guilty of ripping off plenty of ideas themselves, a great deal of their patents are pathetic/based on prior art. Have you actually used Android or are you just reading Apple's nonsense? The two are completely different, unless you consider things like icons to be an original Apple design and a reasonable patent...

[babylon100]

Hi,First Time post, But long time lingerer, But just a question that's kind of related and has popped into my head every now and then, What with Apple wanting to sue every Tom, Dick and rectangular shaped person, How is it that the BBC can use 'iPlayer', With what seems to be know real problems.

[HalloweenJack]

Google are suing Apple over Siri

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Google are suing Apple over Siri

Siri - search for "Google is suing Apple over Siri"

Siri answers "I am not guilty!!!"

[brasco]

with Apple wanting to sue every Tom, Dick and rectangular shaped person, How is it that the BBC can use 'iPlayer', With what seems to be know real problems.

Hi, I think it's due to the fact that the Beeb are no direct threat to Apple, Samsung have really taken a bite out of the smartphone marketshare Apple had monopolised so became the number one target (Jobs said he was going to bury them), if Apple are feeling too brave/stupid they may now take on Google.

In the past, Apple tried to ban ITV from using that name! The cheek!

[watercooled]

Hi,First Time post, But long time lingerer, But just a question that's kind of related and has popped into my head every now and then, What with Apple wanting to sue every Tom, Dick and rectangular shaped person, How is it that the BBC can use 'iPlayer', With what seems to be know real problems.

Partly because BBC got there first, and partly because UK courts seem to have a bit more common sense than the US ones regarding these issues...

Google are suing Apple over Siri

Not just Google according to search result!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

in the past, apple tried to ban itv from using that name! The cheek!

lowtf??

[crossy]

Galaxy S3 will not be removed from the market, will it?

Nope - this is just a preliminary decision in a US - preliminary, because you can bet that Samsung will appeal this (and probably lose - imho). I'd like to think that the UK/EU would have more sense than to allow this kind of misuse of the patent system as a way to maintain market position.

Trouble is, the judgements are in the large -technically- correct. If you have as system with patents that stupid and vague, yeah Samsung violated them. Morally and financially however, allowing these 800 pound spoiled gorilla patent trolls to continue like this is a disaster for consumer electronics/computing.

Poor patents and - from what I've read - Samsung didn't exactly do a particularly good job of fighting their case. If that is the case then here's hoping that the legal team doing the appeal are a LOT more switched on.

Thank god common sense prevailed, android ripped off ios beyond belief and its not right that samsung should profit from a bit of copy and paste...

Windows phone is significantly different from ios, and i quite like it, ios is unique and original, android is just a blatent copy that stole apples ideas, coppied the best bits, then bolted new bits on...if microsoft can make something comepletely different with windows phone, why cant samsung ,....they had an os before android ...why not develop that? Why steal ...for that matter htc, motorola etc are just as equally to blame as google, apple should go after google next and just ban android from existance until they can come up with something original

To quote Judge Koh - "are you smoking crack?". Either that, or this is a pretty obvious attempt at trollery (in which case you should be ashamed). Apple themselves admitted that they took "inspiration" from other people's products, but heaven help anyone who tries do do the same. Apple's also (as hinted at by "wasabi") a master at generating patents so vague that I've read science fiction plots that were fleshed out better. They're also guilty of the crime of trying to patent other people's ideas - released to the public domain as their own. E.g. this stupid link-click patent - my first Nokia (that predates the iPhone) could do that. And there's the bit in the article that says

Worryingly for Google (Android) two usability features of the software aspects were also shown to “copy” Apple’s iOS. These are “tap to zoom” and the “bounce back response” at the ends of scroll lists. (However I remember designing Flash interfaces for websites that had this feature in year 2001, so “bounce back” is quite an “old” interface feature)

Note, Apple got a patent on a feature that was in widespread (?) prior use! (again).
By the way, speaking of the Judge, c:net have an interesting article about her - see http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...-koh-so-angry/

I think that, like most, I'm both disappointed by this decision, but not surprised.

[aidanjt]

And I've seen click-to-zoom interfaces on tons of applications way before iPhone etc. Even my Palm TX behaves that way in some cases. Why is no-one accepting prior art when it was clearly there?

The jury bypassed the prior art claims because it was bogging them down. Probably didn't help that the jury foreman was a patent troll himself.

[watercooled]

How convenient! The trial is a complete joke...

[OilSheikh]

I wonder what will happen if the Android alliance ( Samsung + LG + HTC + SONY + MOTOROLA + ACER + ASUS ) go after Apple ?

Apple will be wiped out of existence.

[Agent]

I wonder what will happen if the Android alliance ( Samsung + LG + HTC + SONY + MOTOROLA + ACER + ASUS ) go after Apple ?

Apple will be wiped out of existence.

Given the recent ruling, I wouldn't be so sure.

You'd have to go after them in US courts.....and there lies the problem

[aidanjt]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...end-a-message/

Hogan, a 67-year-old electrical engineer who lives in San Jose, said he was influenced in part by his own experience acquiring a patent. By the end of the first day of deliberations, he said he decided that Samsung's prior art arguments didn't hold up.

"I was thinking about the patents, and thought, 'If this were my patent, could I defend it?'" Hogan recalled. "Once I answered that question as yes, it changed how I looked at things."

The jury "wanted to send a message to the industry at large that patent infringing is not the right thing to do, not just Samsung," Hogan told the newspaper. "We felt like we were 100 percent fair, but we wanted something more than a slap on the wrist."

Another juror, Manuel Ilagan, confirmed to CNET that Hogan's influence on the jury was significant. "He had experience," said Ilagan. "He owned patents himself...so he took us through his experience. After that it was easier."

Hopelessly contaminated jury.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...end-a-message/

Hopelessly contaminated jury.

Good if you also post in this in the other thread too!

[aidanjt]

Done. Also, troll foreman's patent in question: Method and apparatus for recording and storing video information

[keithwalton]

Samsung should really now stop supplying Apple with cpu's....yeah they'd get sued again but Apple would be stuffed...wonder how much it would cost Apple with no products for a month or 2!

Yup it's really time samsung stopped feeding the monster. It's not just cpu's (in this case soc's) that samsung supply to apple, but screens and flash storage as well.
I wonder how many parts of the 'iphone 5' will be made by samsung, hopefully the idea was a lot and now its zilch.

To ionicle ... apples 'ideas' that it's managed to get a patent for are a rip off someone elses work, everything they've tried to litigate in court so far has had a prior art list longer than my arm.
If you were to remove all the ideas lifted from someone else an iphone would just be a rectangle with curved edges, maybe they should patent that .. oh wait they did