PS3 launch delayed until March 2007

[dangel]

^_^ now to poke fun at all my friends who were deciding to get a PS3. I shall invite many of them over to play the Wii, and rub it in their faces. Bahahahah!

You're going to rub their faces in your Wii? Charming.

[5lab]

People only buy what the understand, and for a reasonable price. They won't pay £425 for something that has no distinct advantages over something that is £280

bluray will probably shift a few extra units - on top of which the back catalog of ps2 games will probably also win over a few punters (it's got me sold).. but you've got to remember - the gamecube was slightly more powerful and cheaper than the ps2 - but it hardly sold anything at all. brand loyalty is a very strong thing - look at how many sony car stereos are sold.. so dispite what is the 'better' product, or the better value product, i still think its likely the ps3 will outsell everything..

to the bloke who said something about share price - its completely irrelivent - the only valid measure is teh MOVE in share price - the actual price itself means nothing (granted, the move in share price means ninty are doing well)..

finally - whoever said you could get a graphics card - well, yes, and it'll be powerful. but it won't last 5 years, and it won't play games on its own - you'll need all the other hardware to do that. pc gaming never stands up at all on a value for money scale..

incidentally - sony are placing the ps3 as a 'home computer' - raises some interesting questions - when hooked up to a nice hd tv - what reason would you have for needing a pc? the ps3 will certainly be powerful enough for most peoples use of a PC (word processing, bit of excel, web browsing) and with HD the disadvantage of a crappy screen is finally overcome. sure, some things won't be so easy (i doubt they'll put bittorrent on, although, only a matter of time till *someone* ports it) - and i doubt the pc will ever die out - but the ps3 does have a better chance of denting the market than anything that went before..

[ExceededGoku]

bluray will probably shift a few extra units - on top of which the back catalog of ps2 games will probably also win over a few punters (it's got me sold).. but you've got to remember - the gamecube was slightly more powerful and cheaper than the ps2 - but it hardly sold anything at all. brand loyalty is a very strong thing - look at how many sony car stereos are sold.. so dispite what is the 'better' product, or the better value product, i still think its likely the ps3 will outsell everything..

to the bloke who said something about share price - its completely irrelivent - the only valid measure is teh MOVE in share price - the actual price itself means nothing (granted, the move in share price means ninty are doing well)..

finally - whoever said you could get a graphics card - well, yes, and it'll be powerful. but it won't last 5 years, and it won't play games on its own - you'll need all the other hardware to do that. pc gaming never stands up at all on a value for money scale..

incidentally - sony are placing the ps3 as a 'home computer' - raises some interesting questions - when hooked up to a nice hd tv - what reason would you have for needing a pc? the ps3 will certainly be powerful enough for most peoples use of a PC (word processing, bit of excel, web browsing) and with HD the disadvantage of a crappy screen is finally overcome. sure, some things won't be so easy (i doubt they'll put bittorrent on, although, only a matter of time till *someone* ports it) - and i doubt the pc will ever die out - but the ps3 does have a better chance of denting the market than anything that went before..

And so it begins...

[tehsucks]

You're going to rub their faces in your Wii? Charming.

That is exactly what I am planning, yes.

[directhex]

anyone get the feeling the new lower-price ps2 got its price cut as damage limitation for christmas? after all, if the ps2 costs less than a 360 core or wii, then it's what little jonny gets bought by mommy!

[Tom Scott]

you've got to remember - the gamecube was slightly more powerful and cheaper than the ps2 - but it hardly sold anything at all. brand loyalty is a very strong thing - look at how many sony car stereos are sold.. so dispite what is the 'better' product, or the better value product, i still think its likely the ps3 will outsell everything.

Brand loyalty is very strong thing I admit that, but I think end users can now look past that - it didn't help the PSP, which is still Sony and technically still a PlayStation, but the DS has in most peoples eyes wiped the floor with it - in terms of sales, and in terms of playability.
I understand that Nintendo are renowned for mobile gaming, but if everyone was a "brand sheep" they'd have still bought the PSP.

Car Stereos are as irrelevent as share prices on this one, what has a car stereo got to do with a £425 (plus the cost of a HDMI cable) gaming console? Different markets, different users, and different sales techniques.

bluray will probably shift a few extra units - on top of which the back catalog of ps2 games will probably also win over a few punters (it's got me sold)..

You need a adapter for the memory card to play the back catalog - more cost, and do you honestly think the average Joe on the street knows what BluRay is?

You've also got to think, how many people that saved that £425 for the PS3 are going to wait for it , or are they simply going to just spend that on a Xbox360 with a few pads and a few games, and a Wii.

[kalniel]

anyone get the feeling the new lower-price ps2 got its price cut as damage limitation for christmas? after all, if the ps2 costs less than a 360 core or wii, then it's what little jonny gets bought by mommy!

Little jonny will already have a PS2...

What sony need is to develop PSli2. Get people to buy a second PS2 to plug together and improve performance

[5lab]

Brand loyalty is very strong thing I admit that, but I think end users can now look past that - it didn't help the PSP, which is still Sony and technically still a PlayStation, but the DS has in most peoples eyes wiped the floor with it - in terms of sales, and in terms of playability.
I understand that Nintendo are renowned for mobile gaming, but if everyone was a "brand sheep" they'd have still bought the PSP.

true. i think that has a lot to do with the price of the thing and its market - not many people want their kids to have £200 devices in their mits.. but yeah, you're right

Car Stereos are as irrelevent as share prices on this one, what has a car stereo got to do with a £425 (plus the cost of a HDMI cable) gaming console? Different markets, different users, and different sales techniques.

well, my point was to illustrate that people are stupidly loyal to sony. their car audio products are generally overpriced and poor quality compared to competitors, but still sell stupidly well

You need a adapter for the memory card to play the back catalog - more cost, and do you honestly think the average Joe on the street knows what BluRay is?

You've also got to think, how many people that saved that £425 for the PS3 are going to wait for it , or are they simply going to just spend that on a Xbox360 with a few pads and a few games, and a Wii.

thats a valid point, and i don't know. sony's certainly loosing the war at the moment - but then from a profit point of view - the first 2 years or so are (i think) pretty much a writeoff anyway - its when the things been going for a couple of years and still costs 60% of its start price that i would think the profit will come from - think about how much a high end pc component would drop in price over that time - maybe 70%?? how much the average joe knows about blueray is next-to-nothing at the moment, but that can all be changed with a bit of smart advertising. lots of ps2s were sold on dvd capabilities - the cheapest player at the time was only £30 or so cheaper - and the top selling launch title in japan was the matrix on dvd.. but how much do you think the average joe knew of dvd in early 2000?

no-one really knows what will happen, but i think the impact of this has been over-emphasised

[Parm]

It didn't take long for the creative minds to get to work: http://www.thisiswaiting.com/

[Silent Shark]

This is a massive blow for Sony. Exactly what they don't need right now with all the other problems they are having.

I have been leaping to the defense of Sony every time I hear someone talk them down and big up the 360. I really can't do that this time. They got the whole world preparing for the PS3 in November, and I can see many younger gamers switching to the 360 because they want to spend the money they have saved.

Europe, while not as big as the US or Japanese markets is still a huge portion of the gaming market, and this will hurt Sony badly. The only thing that has stopped me getting a 360 is the lack of games that appeal (I don't like the image of the 360 either, the 'American-ness'. But that's a fanboy reason not to get one, and it's not an actual factor in my decision). If MSoft got 3 or more games that I wanted out on the 360, I'd probably get one, and forget the PS3.

This is also a big blow to Sonys Bluray plans. If a major market doesn't have access to a cheap Bluray player, then they will go for whatever alternative they can get cheapest (HD-DVD).

With the medias current heavy anti-Sony bias, and no E3 any more, Sony are really going to struggle to keep peoples interest in PS3 going on into March.

Although a lot of people are saying this will benefit Nintendo and the Wii. I don't see that. I don't believe the Wii is in competition with the 360 and PS3 (Nintendo admit it's not a next gen console). The Wii will be bought by Nintendo fans (I'm not one), or those who want 'cheap' gaming.

Oh, and this is bad news for the world, as a cure for cancer will take longer to develop, now that there are significantly less PS3s to help in the giant supercomputer effort! Bad news all round (except for Microsoft!).

[depresion]

perhaps. but Sony is meant to be a big company. little ol' Nintendo has double Sony's share price right now. consider that again - consumer electronics giant Sony (the whole company, noy just the playstation bit) is worth half what kiddy games manufacturer Nintendo is worth, to investors.

Is that share price per share or a total stock price of all the shares out there, there are plenty of big companys on the FTSE with lower share prices than companys a tenth of there size because they have 15 times as many shares on the market.

[Hulkster316]

Bet Sony make importing as hard as possible like they did with the PSP , threating import sites and indy games shops with the legal action.
Also wont a March 07 release mean going head to head with Halo 3 ... ouch.

[directhex]

*cough*

remember ids, the next generation only starts when sony says so!