Results 1 to 14 of 14

Thread: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    31,709
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2,073 times in 719 posts

    Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    The oxymoronic-sounding headline may not be quite as crazy as it reads.
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Chillie in here j.o.s.h.1408's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    a place called home
    Posts
    8,544
    Thanks
    757
    Thanked
    256 times in 193 posts
    • j.o.s.h.1408's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS P6T Delux
      • CPU:
      • Intel core i7 920 @ 3ghz
      • Memory:
      • 3GB DDR RAM
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung F1, 500GB Seagate baracuda + 320gb Seagate PATA +150GB WD PATA
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA 480GTX SC edition
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic M12 600W Module PSU FTW
      • Case:
      • Lian Li PC-A7010B (the rolls royce of pc cases)
      • Operating System:
      • vista ultimate edition and windows xp
      • Monitor(s):
      • 22inch 2005FPW dell monitor
      • Internet:
      • 24mb BE There Broadband

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    right now, intel are competing within themself atm and you maybe right, that initial benchmarks dont tell teh true story on how powerful nehalem realy is. i mean showing off full benchmark numbers on a produc thats coming out in a few months time could do more harm then good with your current stock. i expect proper numbers to appear with weeks of nehalem finaly coming out.

    i cant wait for these baby's to come out

  3. #3
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    34
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    6 times in 6 posts

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    The 6th and 7th paragraphs don't quite match up.

    Nehalem's performance not being quite up to scratch, but good enough to crush sales of present-generation parts?

  4. #4
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    295
    Thanks
    9
    Thanked
    10 times in 10 posts

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    This article:
    http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=480

    Has a different opinion, in that it looks like the architecture has been designed with the intention of rounding it out and desktop performance is not expected to leap miles ahead of Penryn until quads are better supported.

  5. #5
    DR
    DR is offline
    on ye old ship HEXUS DR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    HEXUS HQ, Elstree
    Posts
    13,412
    Thanks
    1,060
    Thanked
    841 times in 373 posts

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetras View Post
    This article:
    http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=480

    Has a different opinion, in that it looks like the architecture has been designed with the intention of rounding it out and desktop performance is not expected to leap miles ahead of Penryn until quads are better supported.
    I'm not sure I understand what you are saying - the performance is leaps and bounds ahead of C2D/Q at a clock for clock level...

    http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=15015

    we have shown performance on the product here....

    Could the lack of numbers have something to do with Nehalem's performance not being quite up to scratch? That seems highly unlikely, especially if our Nehalem performance preview is accurate, and we have no reason to doubt that our 2D numbers will stack up against retail samples.
    I think if you read the comments - http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=145760

    You can see the general thoughts of the HEXUS reader, some will jump others won't

    It will be interesting to see the performance at the lower clock speeds and see how they stand up...
    Last edited by DR; 21-08-2008 at 04:47 PM.

  6. #6
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    295
    Thanks
    9
    Thanked
    10 times in 10 posts

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    I'm not sure I understand what you are saying - the performance is leaps and bounds ahead of C2D/Q at a clock for clock level...
    I was a bit ambiguous, by desktop performance what I meant was games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anandtech
    Nehalem is about improving HPC, Database, and virtualization performance, and much less about gaming performance. Maybe this will change once games get some heavy physics threads, but not right away.

    Why? Most Games are about fast caches and super integer performance. After all, most of the Floating point action is already happening on the GPU. The Core 2 CPUs were a huge step forward in integer performance (not the least because of memory disambiguation) compared to the CPUs of that time (P4 and K8). Nehalem is only a small step forward in integer performance, and the gains due to slightly increased integer performance are mostly negated by the new cache system.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anandtech
    The percentage of L2 caches misses for most games running on a Penryn CPU is extremely low. Now that is going to change. The integrated memory controller of Nehalem will help some, but the fact remains that the L3 is slow and the L2 is small. However, that doesn't mean Intel made a bad choice. Intel made a superbly good choice by improving the performance where Core (Merom/Penryn) was mediocre to good. Penryn was already a magnificent gaming CPU, but it could not beat the AMD competition in HPC benchmarks, and AMD put up a good fight in database performance benchmarks. Now Intel is ready to fix these shortcomings.
    I take that to mean clock for clock up against high clocked Penryns where quads aren't yet supported Nehalem doesn't perform well right now (against Penryn) and this also seems to be the case with your gaming benchmarks (with the exception of 3D Mark Vantage, which can deal with the cores).

  7. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    186
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    7 times in 5 posts

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    Quote Originally Posted by strengthofmind View Post
    The 6th and 7th paragraphs don't quite match up.

    Nehalem's performance not being quite up to scratch, but good enough to crush sales of present-generation parts?
    I think you have misread the 6th paragraph...

    Personally I think there is a fair bit of water in the bucket.... Mind you I think Intel maybe jumping the gun a little bit, yeah people in the know are going to wait for the i7, but we always where.... Joe Public probably isn't that intrested.... computers always get faster, thats a fact of Moore's law.

    When you have the cash / need you buy, putting off for the next great part is really a false economy as there is always one coming around the corner thats going to be so much faster.

  8. #8
    Anthropomorphic Personification shaithis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    The Last Aerie
    Posts
    10,857
    Thanks
    645
    Thanked
    872 times in 736 posts
    • shaithis's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77 WS
      • CPU:
      • i7 3770k @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 32GB HyperX 1866
      • Storage:
      • Lots!
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire Fury X
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX850
      • Case:
      • Corsair 600T (White)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell 3007
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb Fibre

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    Intel have never held off on benchmarks and hype in previous CPU releases. Something smells a little fishy to me......
    Main PC: Asus Rampage IV Extreme / 3960X@4.5GHz / Antec H1200 Pro / 32GB DDR3-1866 Quad Channel / Sapphire Fury X / Areca 1680 / 850W EVGA SuperNOVA Gold 2 / Corsair 600T / 2x Dell 3007 / 4 x 250GB SSD + 2 x 80GB SSD / 4 x 1TB HDD (RAID 10) / Windows 10 Pro, Yosemite & Ubuntu
    HTPC: AsRock Z77 Pro 4 / 3770K@4.2GHz / 24GB / GTX 1080 / SST-LC20 / Antec TP-550 / Hisense 65k5510 4K TV / HTC Vive / 2 x 240GB SSD + 12TB HDD Space / Race Seat / Logitech G29 / Win 10 Pro
    HTPC2: Asus AM1I-A / 5150 / 4GB / Corsair Force 3 240GB / Silverstone SST-ML05B + ST30SF / Samsung UE60H6200 TV / Windows 10 Pro
    Spare/Loaner: Gigabyte EX58-UD5 / i950 / 12GB / HD7870 / Corsair 300R / Silverpower 700W modular
    NAS 1: HP N40L / 12GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Arrays || NAS 2: Dell PowerEdge T110 II / 24GB ECC RAM / 2 x 3TB Hybrid arrays || Network:Buffalo WZR-1166DHP w/DD-WRT + HP ProCurve 1800-24G
    Laptop: Dell Precision 5510 Printer: HP CP1515n || Phone: Huawei P30 || Other: Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 Pro 10.1 CM14 / Playstation 4 + G29 + 2TB Hybrid drive

  9. #9
    Chillie in here j.o.s.h.1408's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    a place called home
    Posts
    8,544
    Thanks
    757
    Thanked
    256 times in 193 posts
    • j.o.s.h.1408's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS P6T Delux
      • CPU:
      • Intel core i7 920 @ 3ghz
      • Memory:
      • 3GB DDR RAM
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung F1, 500GB Seagate baracuda + 320gb Seagate PATA +150GB WD PATA
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA 480GTX SC edition
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic M12 600W Module PSU FTW
      • Case:
      • Lian Li PC-A7010B (the rolls royce of pc cases)
      • Operating System:
      • vista ultimate edition and windows xp
      • Monitor(s):
      • 22inch 2005FPW dell monitor
      • Internet:
      • 24mb BE There Broadband

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Intel have never held off on benchmarks and hype in previous CPU releases. Something smells a little fishy to me......
    do explain further what you mean please

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    819
    Thanks
    225
    Thanked
    15 times in 15 posts

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetras View Post
    I was a bit ambiguous, by desktop performance what I meant was games.
    I haven't seen any Nehalem benchmarks for Games - and I've been looking. Have I missed something?

    Baius
    Tech: NAS | D2 | L1 | N1 | T2 | U1 | P3

    0iD@TWDJT: P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough.
    S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft.

  11. #11
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    295
    Thanks
    9
    Thanked
    10 times in 10 posts

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    I haven't seen any Nehalem benchmarks for Games - and I've been looking. Have I missed something?
    When I mentioned the hexus article I meant this page:
    http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=15015&page=8

    I just believe the reason is not driver optimisation but the architecture, based on the musings from anand.

  12. #12
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    34
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    6 times in 6 posts

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    Regarding my earlier comment, I think the 6th paragraph has been edited to give the reverse and correct meaning compared to the original. I think the word unlikely has replaced likely. All makes sense now. I should have realised it was a typo.

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    186
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    7 times in 5 posts

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Intel have never held off on benchmarks and hype in previous CPU releases. Something smells a little fishy to me......

    I dunno, I think their marketing is doing just fine... This is hot news and every geek on the planet is desperately clawing over every scrap that comes out about the i7.... The hype is all over the place, every tech site worh its salt is running benchmarks on the CPU... and its barely costing intel a dime.....

    Lets be honest who would intel be hypeing this too? Joe public who has a computer, yeah its that beige box in the dinning room we use to surf nuddie pics, shop on ebay, send email and play the occasional game on... The corperate buyers who buy by the 1,000 and just want a machine that will run MS Office as cheaply as possible... Or would it be aimed at us geeks who are getting all steamy under the collar and having to go for cold showers after we read the latest article telling us about the next great thing?

    I think its called viral marketing by those people who Bill Hicks spoke so eloquently about, its just their new toy in the internet age... they don't need to spend millions, they just need to let the net and our own demand to have that perfect dream machine do the rest.

    Intel aren't going to have problems selling the i7 when it hits the shelves.... they are going to have a problem getting enough chips on the shelves. By the time production of these bad boys is ramped up enough to meet demand the conroe will be selling for pennies most of the stock will be gone, or only produced because its cheap and still a good cpu.

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    819
    Thanks
    225
    Thanked
    15 times in 15 posts

    Re: Opinions - Is Intel scared of Nehalem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetras View Post
    When I mentioned the hexus article I meant this page:
    http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=15015&page=8

    I just believe the reason is not driver optimisation but the architecture, based on the musings from anand.
    I guess we'll find out. (Link's dead, btw.)

    Quote Originally Posted by cordas View Post
    I think its called viral marketing by those people who Bill Hicks spoke so eloquently about, its just their new toy in the internet age... they don't need to spend millions, they just need to let the net and our own demand to have that perfect dream machine do the rest.
    Not all "leaks" are against company policy. There was a really good John Grisham book about that. Or was it Brad Meltzer?

    Anyway, he portrayed the character of someone "high up" in Government having a "leak man" for news he wanted to get out, but not be traced back to him. (It was a good book...)

    Baius
    Tech: NAS | D2 | L1 | N1 | T2 | U1 | P3

    0iD@TWDJT: P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough.
    S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 20-08-2008, 01:52 PM
  2. Replies: 18
    Last Post: 07-04-2008, 01:10 PM
  3. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 02-04-2008, 08:18 AM
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 16-04-2005, 05:17 PM
  5. SFF FAQ And Drivers - Updated 13th June 2004
    By XTR in forum PC Hardware and Components
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 11-08-2003, 02:53 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •