Best Way to Prioritize gaming on Bt line?

[Jammer]

Hi, Im stuck on BT on a 1mb line with no other providers in the area,
My family use youtube/skype,
And I play Games online Alot. They dont mix very well

I usally get 120-160 ping. Whats the best way to go about this? (heard of but don't know much of QoS)

Ive looked at options like the Gamerlounge, D-link dgl-4300, But theres no adsl modem in them? Do you still need a modem to connect to an Adsl line now? (a friend said you dont)

Basically Im looking For a internet Setup Hopefully <£100 That will prioritize my packets above theres. If anyone was in a similar situation before please advise me how you solved it , any advice is welcomed.

Jammer

[TiG]

That DGL-4300 has a WAN port which means its looking to connect to you wide area network (i.e the internet), that means you would plug that into the ADSL router you have.

IMO, On a 1Meg line i'm afraid you are wasting your time with packet shaping. You are just going to have to work with your family to try and compromise when either of you are on.

TiG

[Jammer]

IMO, On a 1Meg line i'm afraid you are wasting your time with packet shaping. You are just going to have to work with your family to try and compromise when either of you are on.

TiG

Yep, tried that. But without force its not possible. But with anyluck i could be moving house in under a year, so the plan is to carry that dgl-4300 with me.( and hopefully get cable/LLU )

But Will it work?, So you say if i just plug it into one of the lan ports on my adslmodem/router into the dgl-4300 it will Effectivly not use my modem as a router if i put all conections though the dgl-4300?

[Instinct]

I have the exact same router as you. Its an amazing router but it does not have an internal modem. Do not buy a cheap modem to work with it or anything that does routing (ie plugging it into another router) as this makes it difficult to get working with some applications or p2p software online....

I reccomend getting not the Dlink modem but the Netgear plain ADSL modem. The dlink one decides to bomb out quite often if you use P2P like bittorrent.

The modem isnt cheap, its &#163;29.36, but it is well worth the price, I have never really encountered a problem with it apart from once it did fail....however netgear support were very quick and efficient and replaced it promptly....

Normally Ethernet modems provided free from an ISP work fine also, for example we just switched to Virgin Media for our internet and their Free modem plugs into the router and configures itself and has been working fine ever-since

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop...ProductID=3826 - the link for the netgear modem

[ikonia]

packet shaping on slower lines like yours is a waste of time and will bring no effect to your game play.

The best option for you is to purchase another phone line and broadband connection for your own use as you are unable to compromise with your family and you and your family's usage needs are not compatible.

[directhex]

packet shaping on slower lines like yours is a waste of time and will bring no effect to your game play.

The best option for you is to purchase another phone line and broadband connection for your own use as you are unable to compromise with your family and you and your family's usage needs are not compatible.

you'd be surprised. we were sharing a 2mbit line amongst 6 geeks when i was at uni, and shaping was vital to make gaming even possible. a fairly complex iptables setup was used to layer packet priorities on a per-port and per-host basis (and give minimum guaranteed bandwidth)

isn't all this what QoS is meant to solve, anyway?

[ikonia]

against skype/you tube higher bandwidth based applications over generic "surfing" would you still expect an improvment on a one meg line without crippling one party.

I agree it can make a difference, not without effecting the other users experience though, eg: prioritising the game would work however the other user hammering you tube would see a slow download.

[UltraMagnus]

the other option is alot simpler, set up all the computers with a static IP and most routers have the option to limit how much they can use, then set their max usage to say 60kbps and you should be fine

[Jammer]

Thanks alot for your help guys, Im probly Going to get that Modem that Instinct Recommended, As for UltraMangus's idea I have looked all over my old router for that, hopefully if the dgl-4300+netgear modem dosent solve my problem, then there should be a way to limit everyones speed though the new setup.

Again Thanks alot!, Ill post if it works to help future users.

[Instinct]

QoS can only help you on outgoing traffic. So if your family are using youtube a lot then that wont help very much, but it may help with skype a little bit. I was in your position I could only get 1mbit on my BT line, thats why I switched to virgin.

Still that router is a very good router and the modem is ace too

[Jammer]

Thanks i would love higher speed line, but cable stops just across the road in my area x(

[Jammer]

UPDATE: After trying the router for a week i can safley say It does absolutley NOTHING noticable or testable for me to remove lag. If your in the same situation as me i strongly suggest you dont buy it, to many nice logos and 'lies'. The website and the interview say it does downstream QoS, It dosent, not even with server ip's and ports configured.

However I stumbled upon this website MultiplayDSL - No nonsense broadband for gamers and business from Multiplay A provider From the lan series i go to, It 'looks' fantastic and the solution to the download and ping problems anyone in my situation faces but as you may notice i somtimes get mislead by the branding 'gamer' Still after doing the hops test and reading the reviews im going to try it out, especially since its a 1 month contract.

Summed up, you guys were 100&#37; right about the router, so im intrested in your opinion on changing internet provider (on on bt internet atm)

[aidanjt]

QoS can only help you on outgoing traffic. So if your family are using youtube a lot then that wont help very much, but it may help with skype a little bit. I was in your position I could only get 1mbit on my BT line, thats why I switched to virgin.

Still that router is a very good router and the modem is ace too

Wrong, a sufficiently intelligent router can queue up ACK packets from the receiving machine which will cause the remote machine to wait before sending out more data packets. You can also make things more responsive by prioritising packet classifications, for e.g.

1. ACKs
2. Gaming ports
3. HTTP
4. Everything else

Traffic shaping isn't about restrictions on bandwidth, it's about management of bandwidth. Ergo, low bitrate connections benefit from shaping more than any other type.

[ikonia]

Summed up, you guys were 100% right about the router, so im intrested in your opinion on changing internet provider (on on bt internet atm)

then why did you say this in your first post

Hi, Im stuck on BT on a 1mb line with no other providers in the area,

So either you a.) "lied" about there being no other providers in the area as you knew people would say "change provider" b.) didn't look into other providers so just said there wasn't c.) some other randomly weak option.


Sounds to me like someone is stuck in their parents house and can't get another phoneline to have another provider on as BT is what the parents are happy with.

Thats just me being a tad presumptious based on your posts.

[Jammer]

So either you a.) "lied" about there being no other providers in the area as you knew people would say "change provider" b.) didn't look into other providers so just said there wasn't c.) some other randomly weak option.

Flame detected...

Sounds to me like someone is stuck in their parents house and can't get another phoneline to have another provider on as BT is what the parents are happy with.

You have no idea what situation im in or why im in it, So dont attempt to dont judge. If you insist on knowing more, ask and ill write you an essay. if not please dont bring it into the topic.

I cannot get anouther provider that dosent use a BTLINE, NEITHER LOCAL LOOP UNBUNDELING OR CABLE. multiplay uses the btline, I am unsure if there prioritizing aplies to people using thier service as a whole OR my paticular problem at home involoving family members downloading youtube. Eg my IP. rather then my computer.

[ikonia]

no flame detected, just responding to your comments. I'm not interested in your situation, I'm giving you my opinion of what your post sounds like.

If the limiting factor is your BT line - then changing providers won't change that.

Your suggested provider won't be able to differentiate between your PC or your other family members PC without some funky work on the router they supply and you inputting either static IP addresses or mac addresses into the router, however as I said before if YOU get better service through higher priority traffic your other family members will suffer - which you already said you can't work out amicably.

It sounds like you are limited with a one meg line due to your line, so you either have to a.) agree PC usage with your family members b.) get a seperate line with an additional broadbrand package, just for yourself.

I'm sure others will come up with some fancy way of trying to do packet shaping but users using higher bandwidth applications, and you wanting to game are incompatible.