time to repent?

[Shooty*]

I was going to say it's Davenport Lyons. Well spotted, that man.

I'm a rapidshare man, myself.

[Lucio]

You know, this raises an interesting question. If World of Warcraft uses methods similar or identical to those of BitTorrent, wont' the monitoring at the ISP's simply flag up every WoW subscriber as a potential abuser?

[peterb]

maybe - but thats a problem for those making the allegation.

I wonder if this post was originally made to 'fly a kite' to see what the reaction was?

[Lourdes]

You know, this raises an interesting question. If World of Warcraft uses methods similar or identical to those of BitTorrent, wont' the monitoring at the ISP's simply flag up every WoW subscriber as a potential abuser?

I don't think you understand this. Your IP is visible when using P2P, certain groups/organisations record the IP's of those sharing copyright material and then get court orders to gain their information from their ISP in order to demand damages and/or sue.
Bitorrent is not illegal, nor is any other protocol peer to peer or otherwise. This is only to do with people caught sharing copyright material.

[Funkstar]

That's true but it does kind of go against the whole innocent until proven guilty thing!

You are only "inocent until proven guilty" in the eyes of the courts. The police, for example, don't and couldn't work like this. There has to be an element of assumed guilt at some point in the procedings

[dangel]

This is only to do with people caught sharing copyright material.

Or at least those who 'they' think are - and then it's up to the individual to provide proof of innocence.

Another nail in the coffin of privacy in the UK - and this time it's a private organization in charge of determining guilt or innocence. What could possibly go wrong?

[Salazaar]

You are only "inocent until proven guilty" in the eyes of the courts. The police, for example, don't and couldn't work like this. There has to be an element of assumed guilt at some point in the procedings

We don't live in a police state yet, even they need some intial evidence to surveil people.

The point is that evidence of P2P activity is in no way evidence of illegality despite the fact that that the two frequently coincide and no one should be able to intercept and survey what you are transmitting unless there is some evidence of illegality.

[Lourdes]

Or at least those who 'they' think are - and then it's up to the individual to provide proof of innocence.

Another nail in the coffin of privacy in the UK - and this time it's a private organization in charge of determining guilt or innocence. What could possibly go wrong?

It's not up to the individual to prove their innocence, it's up to the copyright holder or their agents to prove their guilt. Being able to get a court order and make demands has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, they just have a reasonable cause to do so. To actually make you do anything they would need to take you to court and prove your guilt.

The point is that evidence of P2P activity is in no way evidence of illegality despite the fact that that the two frequently coincide and no one should be able to intercept and survey what you are transmitting unless there is some evidence of illegality.

That point doesn't relate. When you use P2P you broadcast your activity and whilst IP may not equal identity there is no question of what your IP is doing and observing this violates no privacy.

[Funkstar]

The point is that evidence of P2P activity is in no way evidence of illegality despite the fact that that the two frequently coincide and no one should be able to intercept and survey what you are transmitting unless there is some evidence of illegality.

Oh absolutely. I was just pointing out that "inocet until proven guilty" isn't absolute.

[Jay]

there is no way for them to prove it was YOU.

I think this guy works for either VM or Be.

[Lucio]

I don't think you understand this. Your IP is visible when using P2P, certain groups/organisations record the IP's of those sharing copyright material and then get court orders to gain their information from their ISP in order to demand damages and/or sue.
Bitorrent is not illegal, nor is any other protocol peer to peer or otherwise. This is only to do with people caught sharing copyright material.

You're right I don't understand this, hence me making a post to ask a question!

However, what I was wondering is if WoW shows up as a P2P piece of software, don't they have a LOT of records to sift through to find who may or may not be connected to copywrite material?

Or is it that they infact have installed P2P software, are busy downloading copyrighted material and recording which IP addresses deliver it?

[TheAnimus]

You're right I don't understand this, hence me making a post to ask a question!

However, what I was wondering is if WoW shows up as a P2P piece of software, don't they have a LOT of records to sift through to find who may or may not be connected to copywrite material?

Or is it that they infact have installed P2P software, are busy downloading copyrighted material and recording which IP addresses deliver it?

As i said above, they use honey pots.

Honeypot (computing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't agree with their etymology, but there ya go. (I thought it was already commonly used in industries other than CS, espesually the espianage, where many a pretty lady/boy have gathered intelegence by seducing someone).

Seriously, piracy, via torrents, is for morons.

[directhex]

Linux Australia fights Motion Picture Association of America notice - News - Builder AU

they're super serial about checking the validity of their legal notices before sending them out, you guys!

[dangel]

Seriously, piracy, via torrents, is for morons.

Or for those who can't afford VPNs or NG subs..

[Lourdes]

You're right I don't understand this, hence me making a post to ask a question!

However, what I was wondering is if WoW shows up as a P2P piece of software, don't they have a LOT of records to sift through to find who may or may not be connected to copywrite material?

Or is it that they infact have installed P2P software, are busy downloading copyrighted material and recording which IP addresses deliver it?

The latter, the organisations trying to sue people use the P2P networks (with their own clients) and gather the IP's of those sharing copyright material.

WoW uses a P2P method of patch distribution but P2P is just a method of distribution, different networks use different protocols and thus their traffic can be identified. Well, unless encrypted.

[Jay]

I agree. Torrents are not the right way to go, I used to torrent films I owned assuming this would be ok. Little did I know that this was also illegal! Stupid if you ask me, so I stopped.

How far back will they be looking anyway? I am assuming they will only look at current traffic as looking back through all them logs would be a nightmare!