Q6600 Vs E8500 for OC & Games

[atmadden]

So you think the E8*** series core is better because it clocks higher?

I GUARANTEE you my Q6600 will still be useful long after your 'dual core' has served its purpose.

Plus,......i bet in any bench mark i will not lose

Clock for clock is NEVER a good indication of the usefulness of a CPU

YOU ARE ARROGANT!

I was pointing out its advantages and I prefer it for those. If I used apps that are optimised for 4 cores then the Q6600 would be better obviously but I don't. One thing you never mention is the power consumption that your 4 core penis extension consumes and retail chip is about £20 cheaper!

I am expressing my preference for my E8400 due to its lower power consumption, clocks better and has the latest enhancements. Q6600 are excellent chips and in a lot of circumstances are better but its down to personal choice and I was expressing my opinion.

[atmadden]

wow thats impressive. what ram did you use? ddr800? im looking to OC to at least 3.2ghz

When are you 2 getting married?

[Blitzen]

Well I have read through this thread and find a few comments a bit odd. I have had a Q6600 G0 and an E8400 and overclocked the hell out of both of them. I ended up keeping the E8400 and selling the quad. The Q6600 is a great chip with top notch cooling and a high quality psu of at least 500w you should get 3.6ghz anything more is a bonus but not that many go above this. I have tried 3 and all got to around 3.6ghz but wouldn't go any higher. My E8400 will clock to 4.5ghz and handles every stress test thrown at it. But I have played safe and settled on 4.37 as it only requires 1.4v it runs this 24/7 and has been since release. As long as you don't go above 1.4v you should be ok for at least 4.2ghz and shouldn't suffer any problems with too high a voltage.

To cut a long story short you will get higher clocks on average, higher fsb tolerance (500+), much lower power consumption when overclocked with a E8400. The Q6600 is the choice if you are going to use the 4 cores which I didn't.

Hahah.....Im not arrogant...i was just pointing out that you are WRONG!!!! Look at the last sentecnce in the statement above. How misleading do you actually want to be?.
I did actually put it nicely in another post but it obviously touched a nerve.

YOU ARE ARROGANT!

I was pointing out its advantages and I prefer it for those. If I used apps that are optimised for 4 cores then the Q6600 would be better obviously but I don't. One thing you never mention is the power consumption that your 4 core penis extension consumes!

Can you not see this is also wrong?
You are trying to tell me:
a). That overclocked the E8400 consume less power. <--Wrong! You have to have some kind of vault increase which means more power.
b). Do you not play games/photoshop/desode video? <I suspect you do at least one of those three. Didi you know that some games ARE optimized for Quad cores? Unreal Tournament 3 for starters.
c). Calling it a 'penis extension' is unfortunately the limit of your argument.

The OP for this thread asked for the pro's & con's of Quad vs Dual Core. He has been given alot of information here by many people. Unfortunately you are not one of them. Facts are required, not your suppositions, howeverincorrect they are.
I guess you are just annoyed that you spent &#163;130+ on a Dual Core CPU ....I know i would be.

When are you 2 getting married?

When are you turniing 14?
Very very childish...................back to school next week though isnt it?

[atmadden]

Hahah.....Im not arrogant...i was just pointing out that you are WRONG!!!! Look at the last sentecnce in the statement above. What a load of rubbish.
I did actually put it nicely in another post but it obviously touched a nerve.

a) I was talking against an overclocked Q6600. How can you say an E8400 at 1.4v will consume more power than an overclocked Q6600 at 3.6ghz? You will need at least 1.45v as a minimum in my experience and much better cooling.
b) I play games but don't do the other 2. Yes there are some but not many take advantage of 4 cores and it is still heavily in favour of a dual.
c) You are typical of people who spend all day looking through forums to flame people. I respect your opinion but NOT the way you put it across. I only resort to childishness with people like you as its what you seem to understand.

I have made valid points. Part of the title of the thread is overclocking and some people like to clock their chips to the max even though the extra clockspeed may or may not be that useful.

[Blitzen]

Are you seriously telling me that your E8400 only has 1.4v to get it to 4.5ghz?
My Q6600 is 1.325v for 3.6ghz when i benchmark.

You are comparing apples with oranges...can you not see that and how wrong it is?????

Just because you have a high clock speed, you seem to think that translates into real world speed advantage. Which obviously it doesnt and for the last 10 years, this has not been the case.

I would LOVE to see just a synthetic benchmark result from you just so we can see. You have the same card as me so if your theory is correct, then you should see higher benchamrk results. If you hit over 14K i would be suprised......but i would like you to prove me wrong.

FYI.....i dont look to flame (and i didnt until you started to cry). However, if i see something that is clearly wrong, i will comment. Everyone else does the same...its called a forum.

[atmadden]

Are you seriously telling me that your E8400 only has 1.4v to get it to 4.5ghz?
My Q6600 is 1.325v for 3.6ghz when i benchmark.

You are comparing apples with oranges...can you not see that and how wrong it is?????

Just because you have a high clock speed, you seem to think that translates into real world speed advantage. Which obviously it doesnt and for the last 10 years, this has not been the case.

I would LOVE to see just a synthetic benchmark result from you just so we can see. You have the same card as me so if your theory is correct, then you should see higher benchamrk results. If you hit over 14K i would be suprised......but i would like you to prove me wrong.

FYI.....i dont look to flame (and i didnt until you started to cry). However, if i see something that is clearly wrong, i will comment. Everyone else does the same...its called a forum.

You have quoted my post above which I clearly state I run it at 4.37ghz at 1.4v for normal use because I don't want to go above that voltage. It is completely stable at 4.5ghz but requires 1.5v which is too high but it has never crashed or become unstable and had it at this speed for a week but after reading reports with these voltages played safe. You are wrong here!

I also said above some people like to get max clocks even though the extra clockspeed may not be useful. Again there is an inaccuracy from you here.

Lastly the last 3dmark 06 score I got was I think was either 14400 or 14200 but I will benchmark now and post back.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

no point arguing with this boy. he clearly is here to start a flame war for no reason whatsoever. after reading that part when he mentiones marriage i stopped reading his mindless imature posts. i expect that response from a child not from a mature adult person. edit: are you a mature adult? if your a child then it makes sence that you post such pointless stuff that just causes arguments unecesarily

[Blitzen]

You have quoted my post above which I clearly state I run it at 4.37ghz at 1.4v for normal use because I don't want to go above that voltage. It is completely stable at 4.5ghz but requires 1.5v which is too high but it has never crashed or become unstable and had it at this speed for a week but after reading reports with these voltages played safe. You are wrong here!

I also said above some people like to get max clocks even though the extra clockspeed may not be useful. Again there is an inaccuracy from you here.

Lastly the last 3dmark 06 score I got was I think was either 14400 or 14200 but I will benchmark now and post back.

I was taking the figures from your sig (which has changed) as the voltages to achieve your clocks were stated there a few minutes ago (4.5ghz @ 1.4v). So, if i was wrong, it becuase your sig stated incorrect facts. I SERIOUSLY doubt you would hit 4.5ghz with only 1.4v anyway. Also, how are you cooling it? At 4.5ghz, i wouldnt have thought it is air cooling because these E8*** CPU's arent as cool as they should be either.

What has 'liking' max clocks got to with real time speed of CPU....Nothing.
Your arguments, which unfortunatley is exactly what your posts have been, are getting flakier by the second.

Also, if you are only getting 14k on benchmarks, then your 4.5ghz E8400 really isnt as quick as you like to think it is.
At stock speeds (2.4ghz) these Q6600's with a decent GPU and a couple of gig of RAM are hitting 13.5 -14K comfortably.

[atmadden]

I was taking the figures from your sig (which has changed) as the voltages to achieve your clocks were stated there a few minutes ago (4.5ghz @ 1.4v). So, if i was wrong, it becuase your sig stated incorrect facts. I SERIOUSLY doubt you would hit 4.5ghz with only 1.4v anyway. Also, how are you cooling it? At 4.5ghz, i wouldnt have thought it is air cooling because these E8*** CPU's arent as cool as they should be either.

What has 'liking' max clocks got to with real time speed of CPU....Nothing.
Your arguments, which unfortunatley is exactly what your posts have been, are getting flakier by the second.

Also, if you are only getting 14k on benchmarks, then your 4.5ghz E8400 really isnt as quick as you like to think it is.
At stock speeds (2.4ghz) these Q6600's with a decent GPU and a couple of gig of RAM are hitting 13.5 -14K comfortably.

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You are totally pathetic I HAVEN'T changed my sig in ANYWAY for at LEAST A MONTH. You asked me to benchmark and I have and proved you wrong to quote your own words. I have made valid points you on the other hand have made a fool of yourself! I have NEVER stated it would run at 4.5ghz at 1.4v!

[atmadden]

I was taking the figures from your sig (which has changed) as the voltages to achieve your clocks were stated there a few minutes ago (4.5ghz @ 1.4v). So, if i was wrong, it becuase your sig stated incorrect facts. I SERIOUSLY doubt you would hit 4.5ghz with only 1.4v anyway. Also, how are you cooling it? At 4.5ghz, i wouldnt have thought it is air cooling because these E8*** CPU's arent as cool as they should be either.

What has 'liking' max clocks got to with real time speed of CPU....Nothing.
Your arguments, which unfortunatley is exactly what your posts have been, are getting flakier by the second.

Also, if you are only getting 14k on benchmarks, then your 4.5ghz E8400 really isnt as quick as you like to think it is.
At stock speeds (2.4ghz) these Q6600's with a decent GPU and a couple of gig of RAM are hitting 13.5 -14K comfortably.

Another assumption by you saying they don't run as cool! There was debate about the initial batch might have temp diode problems. Scan tested and said it was the bios that was at fault. All the web tests I have seen show them to be cooler than 65nm parts and consume less power. Have a look at xbitlabs.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

you need to take a chill pill

[Blitzen]

You are totally pathetic I HAVEN'T changed my sig in ANYWAY for at LEAST A MONTH. You asked me to benchmark and I have and proved you wrong to quote your own words. I have made valid points you on the other hand have made a fool of yourself! I have NEVER stated it would run at 4.5ghz at 1.4v!

So im pathetic because i am picking holes in your arguments.
Your sig CLEARLY stated 4.5ghz@ 1.5v.

You have made no valids points whatsoever.
14600 marks is good btw........but not that great for a CPU running at almost 4.4ghz.

Another assumption by you saying they don't run as cool! There was debate about the initial batch might have temp diode problems. Scan tested and said it was the bios that was at fault. All the web tests I have seen show them to be cooler than 65nm parts and consume less power. Have a look at xbitlabs.

Forget Xbitlabs. Show me your temps. They must be stupid.

Once again you have poor facts which are inaccurate.
I would love you to tell me, how a CPU with a diode problem can be resolved by a motherboard bios flash. It cant can it. The motherboard is totally seperate from the CPU therefore it can have no bearing on a faulty CPU. Whoever told you that isnt really thinking.
Those first batch E8*** series CPUs were FAULTY and thats hasnt been proved otherwise anywhere.

I will read your information that you 'pluck from the clouds' from now on rather than respond.
Firstly because very little you say has any truth or substance and secondly, i should really know better at my age, than to argue with a child.

Good Luck in your exams.
Blitzen

BTW.....I will push back to 3.6ghz later and post my 3D Mark Results. I think you may change your mind about the amazing E8400 then.

[atmadden]

So im pathetic because i am picking holes in your arguments.
Your sig CLEARLY stated 4.5ghz@ 1.5v.

You have made no valids points whatsoever.
14600 marks is good btw........but not that great for a CPU running at almost 4.4ghz.


Forget Xbitlabs. Show me your temps. They must be stupid.

Once again you have poor facts which are inaccurate.
I would love you to tell me, how a CPU with a diode problem can be resolved by a motherboard bios flash. It cant can it. The motherboard is totally seperate from the CPU therefore it can have no bearing on a faulty CPU. Whoever told you that isnt really thinking.
Those first batch E8*** series CPUs were FAULTY and thats hasnt been proved otherwise anywhere.

I will read your information that you 'pluck from the clouds' from now on rather than respond.
Firstly because very little you say has any truth or substance and secondly, i should really know better at my age, than to argue with a child.

Good Luck in your exams.
Blitzen

BTW.....I will push back to 3.6ghz later and post my 3D Mark Results. I think you may change your mind about the amazing E8400 then.

Your posts are changing by the second. Now you are saying my sig said 4.5ghz at 1.5v!!!! your previous post said it was 4.5ghz at 1.4v!!!!! When it has said neither as I haven't changed my sig!!!!! The reason why I haven't put the voltage on my sig is that I would get flamed for putting 1.5v through it.
Scan have tested and claimed there was no diode problem as the bios was reading the temp incorrectly this is what I am saying as you already knew in a previous thread. There is no proof there ever was a problem. I trust scan a lot more than you. Anybody who reads this can clearly see how you chop and change your story to suit .

The E8400 is my preference for the reasons I have stated. I have evidence for these reasons from around the web. Don't get me wrong the Q6600 is by far the best 4 core cpu at the moment for price and performance.

You have the working mens club mentality where you think you own this forum and it gives you the right to flame people if you don't agree with them. You don't give any evidence when you disagree with somebody you just flame them.

No need to take my exams again did them some time ago!

[j.o.s.h.1408]

WOW is this argument still going on? LOL chill lads

[Blitzen]

You don't give any evidence when you disagree with somebody you just flame them.

I have given plenty of evidence to back up what i have said. Just because i disagree with almost everything you say, you decided to call me 'arrogant and pathetic' (few more aswell but i cba to read through all your posts again).

Enjoy your Dual Core and i will post a benchmark later for you to cast your expert eye over.

BTW...just for your information:

Evidence/Facts Posts:
#21
#36
#45
#48

From then on your toys came out of the pram and i am ashamed to admit that i sunk to your level.

Sorry all.

EDIT: I ran this on Sunday. CPU only at 3.0GHZ and my GPU isnt overclocked at all:


Thats only 150-200 marks behind a CPU thats running nearly 1.5ghz faster than mine (our other components are very similar).
If i go back up to 3.6ghz (no need for everyday use), then that would definitely push me up around the 15.5K mark at least. (I will try just to see).

Your clock speed is DEFINITELY impressive. The actual performance of though isnt. Thats been my point all along.

[atmadden]

I have given plenty of evidence to back up what i have said. Just because i disagree with almost everything you say, you decided to call me 'arrogant and pathetic' (few more aswell but i cba to read through all your posts again).

Enjoy your Dual Core and i will post a benchmark later for you to cast your expert eye over.

BTW...just for your information:

Evidence/Facts Posts:
#21
#36
#45
#48

From then on your toys came out of the pram and i am ashamed to admit that i sunk to your level.

Sorry all.

You could do with apologising for saying I changed my sig too! You seem to gloss over this though. You do not give any evidence in those posts just unfounded statements. I rest my case! As for sinking to my level

I have actually quite enjoyed this. It just shows what somebody will resort to when they are cornered. Blatant lies such as resorting to saying I changed my sig to support my claims is soo funny its untrue then claming it was something else later on. Also the fact you assumed I am a child off school today because of the holidays when nothing could be further from the truth. How hilarious!