Smoking ban in all pubs and clubs

[Knoxville]

once again whiney ass non-smokers get exactly what they want with blatant disregard for 30% of the population, personally im waiting for the no drinking in pubs law to come in, then we can all really let go and have fun when we go out.

[Knoxville]

Should ban smoking in a ALL public places. I have a right to not breathe some drug addicts fumes when I walk down the street.

And I have a right not to breathe in carbon monoxide when I walk through a town center, you don't see me pulling you out of your car and beating you though.

[Dav0s]

may i ask why you people smoke?

and of those of you that do, do you want to give up?

[Knoxville]

Because I enjoy it, no not really I have no reason to at the moment.

[Moby-Dick]

Because I enjoy it, no not really I have no reason to at the moment.

I was the same - no amount of bullying , price hikes , being made to be a social pariah etc. would stop or deter me.

You have to want to give up - without that desire you wont do it.

If you do ever want to , PM me and I'll send you a copy of the Allen Carr book - worked wonders for me.

[TooNice]

tell that to an alchoholic......drink does and can become addictive, this is comming from someone who watched his dad die from drinking/alchohol abbuse.

Point taken.

I don't have time at this very moment to search in as much depth as I would like on alcohol/tabacco addiction. So a quick quote from Wikipedia (I know, not the de-facto source of information, but feel free to find sources that dis-prove it if it isn't the case).

The speed with which a given individual becomes addicted to various substances varies with the substance, the frequency of use, the means of ingestion, and the individual. Some alcoholics report they exhibited alcoholic tendencies from the moment of first intoxication, while most people can drink socially without ever becoming addicted. Because of this variation, some people hypothesise that physical dependency and addiction are in large part genetically moderated. Nicotine is one of the most addictive psychoactive substances: although 35 million smokers make an attempt to quit every year, less than 7% achieve even one year of abstinence.*

That suggest that 'non alcoholics' are unlikely to be physically addicted (I rule out society/drinking culture here) in their lifetime. 'Alcoholics' on the other hand must stay at all cost away from alcohol once they are identified as such. I have no idea what is the % of alcoholics & non alcoholics for a normal population, but is it reasonable for me to assume that non alcoholics outnumbers alcoholics? I'll leave this one in the air, but I'd assume so, otherwise the modern society would probably not be as it is now.

But it seems that no one, or only a tiny small minority of the population is immune to the addictiveness of nicotine.

So I'll take back what I said about alcohol not being addictive, but unless reliable sources states otherwise, it would appear that relatively speaking, alcohol is less addictive than cigarette.

[Matt1eD]

Putting in another question into this debate... what counts as addiction? How does one define it? Does someone who gave up smoking having a fag every so often count as addiction and to what extent is the same with alcohol, is having a glass or two of wine with each meal an addiction? Or is the level the commonly accepted tolerance & dependance requirements? Just some thoughts!

[Big RICHARD]

once again whiney ass non-smokers get exactly what they want with blatant disregard for 30% of the population, personally im waiting for the no drinking in pubs law to come in, then we can all really let go and have fun when we go out.

We live in a democracy and the majority wanted this law to be passed.

And I have a right not to breathe in carbon monoxide when I walk through a town center, you don't see me pulling you out of your car and beating you though.

How many smokers are being dragged out of the pub and beaten by non smokers?

[Big RICHARD]

In that case, get out of your car, I dont want to breath in your fumes. I want a total ban on cars. Cars that cause more health problems than second hand smoke.

The risk to health of driving is deemed accepatible.

I have never heard of 'passive internal combustion'.

[Knoxville]

The majority? I don't remember it being put to a public vote. As for smokers being dragged out of pubs, we're not being dragged or beaten, just forced out and being made to pay £2.5k.

[Knoxville]

The risk to health of driving is deemed accepatible.

I have never heard of 'passive internal combustion'.

By whom? who decides its ok to get killed by cars and not cigarettes? gotta love the double standard.

[G4Z]

Big Richard, I feel I need to correct you there, this is not a democracy its a 2 party sham of a democracy, there was no opposition to this bill as lets face it the 30% of smokers in this country are not represented in parliment.

Something like this should have been a refferndum because it directy affects a large majority.

[Big RICHARD]

The majority? I don't remember it being put to a public vote.

We have representatives to do our bidding for us. They are called MPs. They voted for this law to be passed. It was passed, stop whining about it.

But you want to drag people out of their cars and beat them in the middle of town?

As for smokers being dragged out of pubs, we're not being dragged or beaten, just forced out and being made to pay £2.5k.

[Big RICHARD]

Big Richard, I feel I need to correct you there, this is not a democracy its a 2 party sham of a democracy, there was no opposition to this bill as lets face it the 30% of smokers in this country are not represented in parliment.

Something like this should have been a refferndum because it directy affects a large majority.

30% is NOT a majority. Had it gone to a public vote it would still have been passed.

[Big RICHARD]

By whom? who decides its ok to get killed by cars and not cigarettes? gotta love the double standard.

By our representatives. Don't like it? Vote for someone else next time.

[Knoxville]

30% is NOT a majority. Had it gone to a public vote it would still have been passed.

Maybe, maybe not, perhaps some non-smokers don't mind people smoking near them

As for it being voted for by our representatives, no-one in government today represents me, thats why I refuse to vote, politicians are great at keeping old people happy, and the odd home owner in they're mid thirties, but not anyone under 25.

and yeah, why not I may start pulling people out of cars and beating them for being so inconsiderate, maybe then they'll learn