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About LinkBacksChristian doctrines usually are. Given that the whole religion is based around a mistranslation....Originally Posted by firebar
Christian doctrines usually are. Given that the whole religion is based around a mistranslation....
Ok, there goes the intelligent discussion we were having
You could always post which ones your narked about, or is it just because it involves God?
No-one has answered my question either
edit - damn grammar!Just a question for you disciples of science (another pun ), why do you get so angry and het up over people believing in God? Are you jealous, insecure, angry because you think we're dumb? Its a genuine question and I'd be grateful if someone could answer it.
Which christian doctrines are wrong? Why, all of them!
This is a religion based around some guy for whom there is no evidence of his existence, based solely on a religious text which doesn't fit in with recorded history, and which has been very badly translated and yet it is accepted by followers that every word, even the mistranslations, are true.
The idea of a 'virgin birth' for example, is all a mistranslation. Even christian scholors accept it as such, and yet how many people believe?
As I have said, repeatedly, I am not against people believeing whatever they like. I get 'het up' and angry about children being lied to in schools, and about the indoctrination of children into religion, which is child abuse.
Plenty of evidence, more written evidence through historical pieces than Julius Caesar existed!! Roman historians wrote plenty about Jesus, and the Jews, and Islam - they all mention him and acknowledge his existence.This is a religion based around some guy for whom there is no evidence of his existence, based solely on a religious text which doesn't fit in with recorded history, and which has been very badly translated and yet it is accepted by followers that every word, even the mistranslations, are true.
#The idea of a 'virgin birth' for example, is all a mistranslation. Even christian scholors accept it as such, and yet how many people believe?
That's a new one, care to explain - try not to visit anti Christian websites though
OK Firebar, no offence taken.
Wikipedia says that more than half of all Christians are Roman Catholic.
I understand that Roman Catholics generally believe that the Pope is pretty much the ultimate symbol of Christianity.
Clearly, from your comments, you are not Catholic. However, denouncing his, and his followers' views, is no different to TeePee denouncing your views (note: I haven't done any denouncing yet. Maybe later...)
Start listing.
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That's a new one, care to explain - try not to visit anti Christian websites though
New? No..
The original Hebrew text of the bible said:
'Hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve-karath shem-o immanuel.'
Correctly translated it reads:
'Behold, the young woman has conceived — and bears a son and calls his name Immanuel.'
The greek translators mistakenly translated 'almah' (young woman) into the Greek 'parthenos' (virgin). Giving you:
'Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel.'
Which sounds like something a guy called Matthew would say..
Wikipedia again, I'm afraid:That's a new one, care to explain - try not to visit anti Christian websites though
"Dispute regarding Isaiah 7:14
In the past two millennia, there has been considerable controversy among Christians and their opponents about the plain translation and the precise meaning of a small section of Isaiah. For many scholars, the crux of the matter is the translation of the word : עלמה, `almah which has been translated as young woman and as virgin.
In the King James Bible, a traditional Protestant translation, the verses in question run like this:
7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
Many modern translations concede that the word in the Hebrew does not mean "virgin". The Revised Standard Version says:
Behold a young woman shall conceive...
The New Jerusalem Bible says:
the young woman is with child
The Revised English Bible says:
A young woman is with child
The Good News Bible says:
a young woman who is pregnant
The New Revised Standard Version says:
the young woman is with child
This demonstrates that many Christian scholars, both Protestant and Catholic, agree that the traditional translation of the Hebrew is not preferred in the context of Isaiah 7:14."
Tacitus and Pliny as examples, Flavius Josephus. Also the other religions.Start listing.
I'd like to see some more neutral information on that. Either way, doesn't bother me much. If I was a Catholic I'd care more tbh as they like to focus on Mary.New? No..
The original Hebrew text of the bible said:
Last edited by Firebar; 28-03-2006 at 12:05 PM.
They are taught as such, unfortunately moving attention away from the chap who should be getting it.I understand that Roman Catholics generally believe that the Pope is pretty much the ultimate symbol of Christianity.
I mean't new to ME by the way. I'm not the most knowledgable at theology, far from it infact.That's a new one, care to explain
Last edited by Firebar; 28-03-2006 at 11:56 AM.
Tacitus?
One paragrpah refers to christians in Tacitus, around book 15 as I recall. A fraud probably added by Sulpicius Severus, in the early fifth century.
Pliny the younger?
All he does is talk about what a bunch of christians believe, with no reference to 'Jesus'.
Now you're talking! The only relevence that religion has to the modern world is comfort and moral guidence to it's followers. The more christians who give up the 'bible as fact' idealism, the better!
What matters if the birth wasn't a virgin one?Now you're talking! The only relevence that religion has to the modern world is comfort and moral guidence to it's followers. The more christians who give up the 'bible as fact' idealism, the better!
Anyhow, I'll leave it be for a while so you can cool down.
At least when we die, we'll find out
I'll be drinking for you.I'll be praying for you
LoL, make it a fine Ale and we'll agree to disagree
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