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In other words, what sets them apart is having enough money to run two full squads of players.
when u spend 600m it does pay offOriginally Posted by Top_gun
I think Man city success has to be credited to Mancini I think a lot of clubs have spent big but never succeeded but Mancini seems to have got them playing as a team now which did not seem to be happening under Hughes. But you are right buying the best quality players does help as well.
alot of clubs spend 600m? who? OK here is a question for u, if Manchini is such a good manager. could he sustain a top 4 finish for 10+ seasons on a shoe string budget like Wenger?
Real Madrid tried by spending a lot of money and it did not bring them success, before Mourinho took over, certain managers succeed in certain circumstances would Mancini do well at Arsenal maybe not but Mark Hughes seems to do well within a budget but when he was given the money at Man City it didn't work and Mark Hughes aint a bad manager just look what he did at blackburn and fulham.
Not trying to say Man City doing well aint down to Money just that credit should also be given to the manger for getting them to work as a unit and as a team where as before everyone their seemed to have a Ego
Cappello last won the la liga with RM 3 seasons ago and when your competing against barcelona, not even man united, chelsea or this 600m assembled city team could match them.
Mark hughes did not have enough time with the team and most of the backbone of the city team was constructed by Mark hughes, not manchini.
Manchini came over with 70% of the job already done and all he did was added a sprinkle of godl dust in that team and they started to click. Dont forget, Mark assembled a new 11. they all needed time to bed in. they wont just all of a sudden start banging in goals left right and centre. they need time and by the time manchini came along, those lot started to gel because of the 40+ games they played together already under Mark.
I can see why people regard Wenger as the best manager ever. give him a bit of ££ and he can create a team that can easily match barcelona and go whole season without losing. give him absoluetly no £££ and he will maintain top 4 and stay in the CL till quarter finals.
Wenger is a manager that can take a team like Everton and turn them into a top 4 team. Manchini has an easy life and unproven. Let him be Arsenal manager and with this current crop of players and lets see if he can finish in teh top 4.
No doubt that Manchini deserves some credit but MOST of that credit is from that 600m money that has funded that team.
Look at the carling cup game. Wengers men mostly kids and cost total of something like 40m while city had a team worth 200+m and it took a quick counter attack at the end to beat us by one of City's main strikers.
If RVP played, City would have been beaten. point? Shows Manchini is not as good as it sounds. City should have thrashed us but as clearly poined out, money helps ALOT
Best manager ever?? Not a chance.
Probably not....but.....i can guarantee that not one of:Best manager ever?? Not a chance.
Ferguson
Mourinho
Benitez
Dalglish
Redknapp
Ancelotti
Mancini
(more aswell)
Could spend as little as Wenger and maintain a constant Domestic League presence and European forays as Wenger has.
For what he has spent the man is a genius, and only a fool would deny that.
No we havent won anything for a while, and no we arent a team that will win major honours in our current guise, but we have been the most consistent force (without winning) in the European Cup for England <- fact, since its beginning, and we have NEVER finished outside of the top 4 in the Premier League.
Let's not alos forget, that if it were not for Arsenal, and Wenger taking the reigns, Man Utd would've won the League countless more times. We were their ONLY credible threat for the best part of 10 years unitl Romans billions turned up!
Can the Spuds and scousers say the same? Nope.......
I'll admit what Wenger has done with a limited budget is impressive, but I think too much is made of it. Arsenal have had a very large wage bill for quite some years, I think 3rd largest? (pre Man City era). That rather mirrors the league results.
Wenger scraping the bargain barrel for out-of-contract/injury-prone/obscure players is stingyness, nothing more. If he had won trophies with said players I would accept his greatness. No trophies for six years says something though.
Currently Spurs have a first 11 that cost £55m (something similar to Arsenals) and have net spent £5m per season for the last three seasons. They also have a substantially lower wage bill yet are set to finish above Arsenal this season.
Arsenal have played some great football under Wenger and the invicibles were a great side, but for me the man has significant flaws as a manager and I think the "no money to spend" card is substantially overplayed. Kudos for giving Man Utd some competition though, some great games down the years.
Spurs have outspent arsenal for the past 5+ years mate what are you on about?
I agree we do spend lots on wages but thats because crap players like denilson are earning 60-70k a week doing **** alll.
Most of our youngsters earn this amount. whilst the youngsters and fringe players from other sides are on half that wage. thats the difference. arsenal invest heavily in youth players for there wages.
In terms of transfer. we spend pennies mate. PENNIES. Come on, what manager besides wenger can sustain a top 4 with players like almunia, denilson, scholachi etc etc.
Look at what wenger achieved WHEN he had a decent amount of transfer budget whenw e had Henry and co. we wents eason unbeaten. promoted barca-type football in the PL mate. Wenger with teh rigth funds can do wonders mate but how the hell are we suppose to compete with city and chelseas billions? Even united are struggling to compete with the riches of football.
Only way to counter act this is to do what barcelona does i.e train a bunch of kids from the accadamy right from the get go. Real madrid are no different to city/chelsea. So having barcelona beating them every time is a victory for football. wished arsenal could do that but i think we are 2/3 seasons away from achieving that.
Spoken like a true closet spud.
There is alot of supposition in your post none of which is substantiated..
For a start, your wage bill argument is totally flawed.
Van Der Vart
Adebayor
Modric
King
Santos (that never plays)
Lennon
Bale
all on £60K+ per week....top three in that list ALOT more.
Arsenal only have three 1st team players on more than £65K per week.
And to suppose (again) that Spurs will finish above Arsenal after only a third of the season is ridiculous.
Your lack of knowledge is amazing.Wenger scraping the bargain barrel for out-of-contract/injury-prone/obscure players is stingyness, nothing more. If he had won trophies with said players I would accept his greatness. No trophies for six years says something though.
In this category you could place:
Henry
Bergkamp
Viera
Pires
Llungberg
Kanu
Van Persie
Fabregas
Vermalaen
Van Bronkhurst
There are many more, but ALL fell into one of your categories above, and besides Vermalaen/Fabregas, ALL won major honours with Arsenal, and a few won major honours AFTER they left us aswell.
Please get your argument straight at the offset
Who said I wasn't a Spurs fan?
Strange then that according to the bbc your wage bill was 40% higher than ours in 2010. Most of Adebayor's wages are paid by Man City.
The only thing stopping your team getting booed off every game is Van Persie's notoriously reliable knees. Also I think its fairly well established that we have a more complete team at the moment and arguably a better squad.
Bergkamp was a Rioch signing. Henry wasn't exactly peanuts. Fabregas was pinched from Barca. Vermalaen was 10million euros. Plus the defence was mostly inherited from Graham. The fact is since Arsenal stopped spending they haven't won anything.Your lack of knowledge is amazing.
In this category you could place:
Henry
Bergkamp
Viera
Pires
Llungberg
Kanu
Van Persie
Fabregas
Vermalaen
Van Bronkhurst
There are many more, but ALL fell into one of your categories above, and besides Vermalaen/Fabregas, ALL won major honours with Arsenal, and a few won major honours AFTER they left us aswell.
Please get your argument straight at the offset
As for the current team, Walcott, Gervinho, Arshavin, Vermalaen, Sagna, Mertesacker, Arteta, were all signed for significant fees. There isn't much difference cost-wise between the first choice 11 of Arsenal and Spurs. The likes of Walker, King, Friedel, Adebayor, were free and Lennon cost a mere 1 million.
Perhaps you should get some of your facts straight.
Was hoping Manu Utd would win today, only because I'm a Liverpool fan.
7:1 arsenal
Did you get alot of snow on the South Coast this weekend
Cant be much of a Liverpool fan wanting united to win :S
It`d be like Blitzen and Josh wanting the spuds to win..
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