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About LinkBacksExcept that it wasn't completely clear that Hamilton let Trulli through until after the stewards investigated, as it stood it 'looked' like Trulli overtook under a yellow flag. Hence the need for investigation.Originally Posted by this_is_gav
Except that it wasn't completely clear that Hamilton let Trulli through until after the stewards investigated, as it stood it 'looked' like Trulli overtook under a yellow flag. Hence the need for investigation.
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No urgent need for any judgement though, as their is no time to issue any penalty. You can't clear penalties under the safety car or if the penalty is issued in the final 5 laps anyway, regardless of whether there's a steward watching each individual car determining blame immediately (which would be a rather scary proposition).
That's not what Josh was referring to anyway - he's complaining that Hamilton and his team had to act themselves. Had they read the sporting regulations before hand they wouldn't have had to police the sport themselves. As a result they lost a point they shouldn't have done, and in trying to make up for that, they've managed to land themselves in the sticky stuff.
McLaren given three race ban suspended for 12 months.
An eminantly sensible result - I'm shockedUnless of course they already know of 'further information' that might come to light to cause the ban to be enacted, like 2007...
I have lost all interest in F1 now gutted as I used to enjoy it ;(
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This might reignite the flames...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8019558.stm
Yes looks good but it just feels its lost something Im going to give it another try.
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You just need someone to grow a Mansell-esque moustache don't you?
fair decision. anything more would be harsh imo. Shumacher has done worse and got away with it in the past. the most famous one being when during the last round of quali in monaco, he stopped at the middle of the track and made everyone slow down so they dont beat his time.McLaren given three race ban suspended for 12 months.
An eminantly sensible result - I'm shocked
he complained he had car trouble yet it was later found out that their was nothing wrong with his car and all he got was a 10 places drop from the starting grid and that was that.
quality stuff aint it lads. Hamilton lies effected one driver and shumacher's lies effected practicly every driver yet that was all the punishment he got. brilliant
Schumacher's would have only had a limited impact on the order as everyone affected had posted a time indicative of their performance. It was deception and he rightly got thrown out.fair decision. anything more would be harsh imo. Shumacher has done worse and got away with it in the past. the most famous one being when during the last round of quali in monaco, he stopped at the middle of the track and made everyone slow down so they dont beat his time.
he complained he had car trouble yet it was later found out that their was nothing wrong with his car and all he got was a 10 places drop from the starting grid and that was that.
quality stuff aint it lads. Hamilton lies effected one driver and shumacher's lies effected practicly every driver yet that was all the punishment he got. brilliant
McLaren's was about gaining themselves a point wrongly. That too is deception and Hamilton got thrown out.
The side-affect was knowing that they were removing a fellow competitor from the results and doing nothing about it. Cheating your way to point is bad enough, but at the total cost of a fellow sporting competitor... that's fraud as well as deception, as a lot of money is at stake there (such as freight costs being covered for the following season).
I was expecting more than a suspended sentence when the FIA became aware of the BBC interview Whitmarsh gave immediately after the race, which clearly showed that they were continuing to lie by it not being a decision made solely by Ryan and/or Hamilton, but it came from the top. In Sepang McLaren had claimed only Ryan and Hamilton were lying alone. After Sepang it became clear that wasn't the case - the boss himself was involved too.
Most are accepting that this is only a suspended sentence in order to appease the fans and sponsors. The crime itself deserved an immediate penalty of some description - probably a loss of constructors points for a few races, while keeping those of the driver.
Problem is, as a fan of F1 for 30 years, i am not appeased by this ruling. Lewis & Mclaren have got off lightly, cheating is not what i want to see in F1, yet the FIA have only given them a slap on the hand as punishment. Honda a few years ago got full race (2 i think) ban for running light cars (cheating) so where is the balance in this punishment?
I feel that a 2 race ban for Lewis with no constructor points coming from him for the season, that way Heiki doesn't get punished, would have been the perfect end to this.
No, I agree completely. Like I said, it's a punishment that doesn't actually have any effect, unless they do it again (though that's quite likely given the way they've been in the past 2 and a bit years!). It's like they've sat down and decided "well, we've given them enough penalties, what with spygate and the couple of Hamilton penalties that some Brits weren't happy with... maybe we should let them off lightly this time so the tabloids don't think we're ganging up on them".
Yeah, punishments are never good for the sport... but if you don't cheat, you (generally) won't get them... Alonso in Monza qualifying in 2006 springs to mind as the most obvious one that shouldn't have been given in a million years, but most of the others you can at least understand to an extent as to why they've been given, even if you don't agree with it.
its all easy to say its bad to cheat and how hamilton got off lightly but look at other sports such as football when people cheat and dive all the time yet dont even get a slap on the wrist for it.
If hamilton deserves a ban in a race, so did shumacher back then in monaco. one rule should be applied to EVERYONE which i agree. if someone lied like ham, i expect a similar punishment ie remove them any points from that particular race and give them a suspension ban.
At what point did I mention Hamilton getting off lightly? I didn't even suggest Hamilton should have got a further penalty... :\
As I said, this isn't just a sporting matter, it's one which could have had huge financial implications too.
There's a slight difference between what Hamilton did and what Schumacher did. Hamilton et al was caught blatently lying to the stewards. They were asked again what happened, and they repeated that lie - then the tape was played that evidently proved that.
Schumacher's incident at Monaco had no evidence of him lying. Yes, we can all say he did and believe it, but there was no radio transmission or anything else to support it - and he still got penalised.
There's a difference between lying (what everyone in the sport tends to do anyway according to Coulthard) and getting caught. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, so they say.
We don't need more McLaren punishments just now, the sport is going in a good direction on-track it doesn't need anything more to drag its tarnished image around off track. Let it be done.
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