AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Impressive if its genuinely accurate, very impressive!

This HTPC is quite small and is meant to use Trinity:

http://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware/...red-htpcs.html

[Biscuit]

This HTPC is quite small and is meant to use Trinity:

http://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware/...red-htpcs.html

I know... i was the first one to reply to you in that thread xD

[DanceswithUnix]

AMD intend 10-15% performance increase per year.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5488/a...oul-delhi-cpus

and their graph starts with the BD to PD transition, so I wonder if that is what we will get...

[DanceswithUnix]

Hmm, I notice in that article they predict the death of socket G2012 with the 4 channel memory interface.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Pictures of the Trinity reference notebook:

http://www.techpowerup.com/159897/Co...-Pictured.html

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Trinity has already started shipping to OEMs:

http://forwardthinking.pcmag.com/com...s-and-graphics

OTH,retail availability is still Q2 2012.

[Terbinator]

How much do you think we will be able to read into desktop Piledriver form the Trinity cores?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

How much do you think we will be able to read into desktop Piledriver form the Trinity cores?

Hard to say as Trinity has no L3 cache and we don't have final clockspeeds ATM. However,it does seem at least at lower voltages the performance increase does look quite decent when compared to Llano.

[scaryjim]

How much do you think we will be able to read into desktop Piledriver form the Trinity cores?

Well, Trinity v Llano should be very similar to FX v. Phenom II: It's basically a tweaked BD core v. a tweaked K10 core, the only thing that might muddy the water would be the cache arrangement (I'm not sure how much, if any, L3 cache Trinity is meant to have). But it should be possible to compare quad core Trinity to quad core Llano, look at the FX-4100 performance v. Phenom II X4, and draw some conclusions about the comparative improvement from BD to PD.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Gaming CPU article from Toms Hardware:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...rk,3120-3.html

It just shows how far ahead Intel is for lightly threaded games. The Pentium G630 looks very good for a lot of those types of games - it looks better value than even a Core i3 or Core i5 TBH.

[watercooled]

There's really no excuse for not properly threading games now, especially multi-platform ones since the console versions are almost certainly multithreaded. And lightly-threaded games which are CPU bound are just a joke. As well as Intel performs with lightly-threaded games, I'm sure they'd agree as there's a significant performance boost to be had with proper multithreading.

Edit: Why are they overclocking only the 2500K in that article? It's not really fair to compare it in a graph with everything else at stock, and no stock result for said CPU...

[Terbinator]

Edit: Why are they overclocking only the 2500K in that article? It's not really fair to compare it in a graph with everything else at stock, and no stock result for said CPU...

I suppose its showing SB @ 4GHz, given the 2400 is in the list as well which is only a ratio less than a 2500.

[watercooled]

But why not OC some of the AMD chips for fair comparison then?

[Terbinator]

But why not OC some of the AMD chips for fair comparison then?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...rk,3120-9.html

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[Pob255]

Isn't trinity closer to Llano than bulldozer?
AMD seems to be going down the route of 2 almost separate architectures, one with onboard gpu for laptops and low end/onboard gpu desktops and the other with lots of cores for workstation/server use.

From my understanding PileDriver is going to be a die shrunk BullDozer with a few tweaks to fix issues that is currently causing problems, my guess is that they are looking at the pipelines as they do seem to be a key factor holding BD back

[watercooled]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...rk,3120-9.html

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They only show the 2500 on the linked page though. If they're not going to show all the OC results in the graph they should have left them all on that OC page.

Isn't trinity closer to Llano than bulldozer?
AMD seems to be going down the route of 2 almost separate architectures, one with onboard gpu for laptops and low end/onboard gpu desktops and the other with lots of cores for workstation/server use.

From my understanding PileDriver is going to be a die shrunk BullDozer with a few tweaks to fix issues that is currently causing problems, my guess is that they are looking at the pipelines as they do seem to be a key factor holding BD back

Trinity is similar to Llano in that it has GPU on board but uses Bulldozer-style (Piledriver) cores rather than the Stars (K10) cores of Llano. Piledriver is also known as Enhanced Bulldozer and carries some significant changes to the architecture but it's not a die shrink.