AMD - Zen chitchat

[[GSV]Trig]

I'm seeing bios's for my Steel Legend B450M as well, I'm years away from a 5000 series CPU but nice that support is there already...

[easyrider]

I'm seeing bios's for my Steel Legend B450M as well, I'm years away from a 5000 series CPU but nice that support is there already...

The Beauty of the AM4...Its aged like a fine wine

[DanceswithUnix]

Nice....! You know you wanna!

lol, I'm in no hurry atm. The wife's PC is probably the next to be updated, I hope to defer that until after 5000 series availability and prices have settled a bit. My 3700X would do her very nicely She has been complaining about her old FX 6350, but when I say "£400 to update it" she goes quiet. I think some time soon she will say "do it!".

[easyrider]

lol, I'm in no hurry atm. The wife's PC is probably the next to be updated, I hope to defer that until after 5000 series availability and prices have settled a bit. My 3700X would do her very nicely She has been complaining about her old FX 6350, but when I say "£400 to update it" she goes quiet. I think some time soon she will say "do it!".

She will be getting a nice upgrade

[kompukare]

So at this rate I might get an X470 bios before I have a chance of getting my hands on a 5000 series CPU. I'm not sure that makes me happy

Another interesting question (but not interesting enough for me to google it just now), is whether those ASRock BIOS'es drop support for any older CPUs. If they don't (and ASRock's CPU list page doesn't say anything), they a good B450 or X470 might be more useful/versatile than a X570 or B550.

[MrJim]

Another interesting question (but not interesting enough for me to google it just now), is whether those ASRock BIOS'es drop support for any older CPUs. If they don't (and ASRock's CPU list page doesn't say anything), they a good B450 or X470 might be more useful/versatile than a X570 or B550.

I seem to remember AMD saying that the BIOS upgrade for B450 motherboards to 5000 series processor compatibility would be a one-way update, due to the small storage capacity of the BIOS chips in B450 motherboards? Unless Asrock had the foresight to equip their B450 boards with larger capacity BIOS chips?

[kompukare]

I seem to remember AMD saying that the BIOS upgrade for B450 motherboards to 5000 series processor compatibility would be a one-way update, due to the small storage capacity of the BIOS chips in B450 motherboards? Unless Asrock had the foresight to equip their B450 boards with larger capacity BIOS chips?

Yes, that was I meant: the official AMD word is that's it's one-way.
However, even only a 16MB BIOS chip maybe it a vendor is willing to forgo the UEFI menus and even mouse support etc. they might be able to squeeze it in. That ASRock B450M Pro4 board is only 16MB and their page says nothing about a one-way update.
Skinflint's database says roughly half of AM4 boards are 16MB, half 32MB

https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=mbam4#gh_filterbox

[rs4847]

I'm waiting for cyber monday / black friday to pick up the last few bits for my personal pc and I need 32gb (2x16gb) 3600 cl16-18 or 3200 cl14-16. It's frustrating when I can't find information on whether its dual rank or single rank. I am aware most 16gb sticks are dual rank but your post is an example that not all are.

Wish there was a proper list for this stuff

Yeah unfortunately it is pot luck, I would say most of the cheaper 32gb (2x16gb) kits are now single rank. Kingston seems to be the only manufacture that provides a datasheet with the layout.

I can't say I have noticed anything but then I am bottlenecked in other areas.

[easyrider]

So much tech I want...5900x , RTX 3080 or a 6080XT...having this Gtx 1030 is doing my head in...

[ik9000]

So much tech I want...5900x , RTX 3080 or a 6080XT...having this Gtx 1030 is doing my head in...

Try being on a GTX460 then mate. x570, 3900x and a GTX460 I had in the loft. Only way I could balance the books. Now trying to work out what to upgrade too, but the amount saved always seems too little for the prices keep rising faster than I can save - and then there's no stock anyway!!

[easyrider]

Try being on a GTX460 then mate. x570, 3900x and a GTX460 I had in the loft. Only way I could balance the books. Now trying to work out what to upgrade too, but the amount saved always seems too little for the prices keep rising faster than I can save - and then there's no stock anyway!!

I feel your pain...

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Try being on a GTX460 then mate. x570, 3900x and a GTX460 I had in the loft. Only way I could balance the books. Now trying to work out what to upgrade too, but the amount saved always seems too little for the prices keep rising faster than I can save - and then there's no stock anyway!!

Well I might end up with a Ryzen 7 3700X at this rate - Zen3 price has risen too far for me now. Mates who saved up for a GPU,also are feeling the same - even a 70 series Nvidia GPU now starts at nearly £500,and the 60 series looks like it will be nearly £400 for the first model out.



I do like the latest Tech Deals video and what he says that essentially we are starting to see price stagnation from both parties with their 6 and 8 core CPUs.

[atemporal]

I'm on a passive AMD chip so old it's not even an R-series. Most gaming I can do is solitaire!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I'm on a passive AMD chip so old it's not even an R-series. Most gaming I can do is solitaire!

Well if had spent the extra £200 on an Intel build with a Core i7 8700K,I would have gotten at least 30% extra performance(or maybe more)I suspect in certain games I play. This is in games where the minimums are around 30~45FPS.

I went with a Ryzen 5 2600 as a stop gap because it was much cheaper,and there was only 9 months to Zen2(older system went kaput at the wrong time) so thought I could get that and get rid of the Ryzen 5. Yet,Zen2 was still slower in a number of games I play,and Zen3 might be now similar performance or a bit better in them,but a Ryzen 5 5600X is now nearly £300. I could have spend £350 on a Core i7 8700K(and the Intel motherboard I was looking at was cheaper too). So realistically Intel would have been a better longterm choice for me.

Edit!!

Also for certain things such as DxO which I run,a Ryzen 5 5600X will be probably slower:
https://news.mynavi.jp/article/20201105-1457526/2

So around a 19% uplift from Zen3 from Zen2. So a 50% increase in core count leads to around a 40% increase in DxO export performance.

[atemporal]

what do people think about a barebones system built around the 4x00U? (and which renoir chip should I go for if they're not a turkey?)

(or is this not the place for that?)

[MarkI]

I do like the latest Tech Deals video and what he says that essentially we are starting to see price stagnation from both parties with their 6 and 8 core CPUs.

I saw this as well. He really cut throught the mud here. Anyone interested in a more mid range budget now is in a bit of an uncomfortable position. Like the Hexus review, if they had just been that little bit cheaper this release would have been worth waiting for stock. Tech Deals mentions the i9 9900k as a good value proposition but it seems like its cheaper in his neck of the woods.

No stock anyway. Awkward!