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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    15% performance seems a bit meh. I wonder if AMD are just getting a good deal on 12nm wafer starts atm.

    I'm guessing Nvidia will compare that to a £400 GTX 2060
    Well 15% would get it to around GTX980TI level.


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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Well 15% would get it to around GTX980TI level.
    *shrug*

    Wonder if this is aimed at laptops.

    OTOH, I notice you can get a 4GB 580 for £200 on Amazon atm

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-Sa...dp/B0797XLR9Z/

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    *shrug*

    Wonder if this is aimed at laptops.

    OTOH, I notice you can get a 4GB 580 for £200 on Amazon atm

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-Sa...dp/B0797XLR9Z/
    You can get an 8GB RX570 for £185 with 3 games!!


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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    I would take this with a grain of salt:

    https://hardforum.com/threads/the-ra...ample.1967802/


    The RTG has just received its first Zen 2 sample (to optimize for) and it's really impressive.

    8C/16T

    4.0 GHz/4.5 GHz

    DDR4-3600 CAS 15

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    The good: It's already nibbling at the Core i7-8700K.

    The bad: It crashes a lot.

    The ugly: It crashes all the time. Some of the tests have to be run multiple times because they crashed before finishing.

    Apparently, there has been some changes to the "interconnect" (wherever that is) that requires RTG to make changes to the video drivers and that why RTG is getting the sample.
    never said that Zen 2 would only have 8C/16T, only that that particular sample has 8C/16T.

    There may or may not be more cores. I don't know.

    I know next to nothing about AMD's processor teams.
    Edit!!

    Aghh,just as I bought the bits for my upgrade.Oh,well.
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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    I can't see it being out before around March '19 anyway.

    As mentioned in that thread, I wonder how power consumption will look for the 8C Skylake vs Ryzen/Ryzen2? I can't see Intel getting much more out of 14nm and each Skylake revision has driven power consumption higher.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    I can't see it being out before around March '19 anyway.

    As mentioned in that thread, I wonder how power consumption will look for the 8C Skylake vs Ryzen/Ryzen2? I can't see Intel getting much more out of 14nm and each Skylake revision has driven power consumption higher.
    Well I just bought a Ryzen 5 2600,Asus B450 ITX board,and decided to get some 3200MHZ RAM(the price was much cheaper than elsewhere and I will probably sell the 2400MHZ stuff so it should hopefully be more palatable). Its just one of those situations where my old setup is having some issues now(its getting on a bit).

    Any benchmarks which I should run to compare?? So will be moving from a Xeon E3 1230 V2/Core i7 3770 to a Ryzen 5 2600.


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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Well I just bought a Ryzen 5 2600,Asus B450 ITX board,and decided to get some 3200MHZ RAM(the price was much cheaper than elsewhere and I will probably sell the 2400MHZ stuff so it should hopefully be more palatable). Its just one of those situations where my old setup is having some issues now(its getting on a bit).

    Any benchmarks which I should run to compare?? So will be moving from a Xeon E3 1230 V2/Core i7 3770 to a Ryzen 5 2600.
    I expect you will be able to upgrade without too much expense, compared to the motherboard and RAM.

    I would suggest you benchmark what you care about, I'm guessing that's FO4 with addons.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I expect you will be able to upgrade without too much expense, compared to the motherboard and RAM.

    I would suggest you benchmark what you care about, I'm guessing that's FO4 with addons.
    Well the issues were more the motherboard having some niggles,and performance in some non gaming situations starting to be an issue. If I was doing it for Fallout 4 Intel would have had the edge but I am hoping it does help although i am looking at getting a PCI-E M2 SSD at some point,but nearer to the Black Friday week.

    This will be the first time I have changed platform since 2011!!


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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Interested in how it works out Cat

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Well I just bought a Ryzen 5 2600,Asus B450 ITX board,and decided to get some 3200MHZ RAM(the price was much cheaper than elsewhere and I will probably sell the 2400MHZ stuff so it should hopefully be more palatable). Its just one of those situations where my old setup is having some issues now(its getting on a bit).

    Any benchmarks which I should run to compare?? So will be moving from a Xeon E3 1230 V2/Core i7 3770 to a Ryzen 5 2600.
    Interesting. I was seriously tempted to move form a 3570k to a Ryzen 5 2600 but the cost of 32GB RAM put me off. Interested to see what I'm missing out on.
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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Due to time restraints I can't run too many benchmarks so they will be:
    1.)userbenchmark
    2.)Cinebench R15
    3.)7 zip
    4.)DxO
    5.)HWBOT X265
    6.)Fallout 4

    I will try and run ROTTR if possible too.

    Edit!!

    Will run the X265 HD benchmark as I got some errors with the HWBOT one.
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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Not sure I can do the FO4 comparison now. Despite having a saved profile for NMM it had a hissy fit and deselected the mods and since I only selectively enabled some mods in an order I would have to remember what I did for loads of them. I did try doing it but the game seems to look a tad different now so fun times ahead. However in terms of draw calls,etc it's around the same. The FPS is not always massively higher but it's smoother even in scenarios where the FPS is lowish. Looking at the Task Manager I can see quite a bit of SSD activity. Methinks the SSD access is more consistent now.

    However on the flip side the RAM I got from OcUK is Samsung B die.


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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    The Budget ARENA is where i'm looking, right now in the uk a R5 2600 costs £150 that is sub $200. I have a 1200 that cost me £100 back in July last Year and can be bought for about £40 used or about $60 used. Now will Zen2 bring us higher core count on this enter level segment or keep with their current Zen trend, If we get 7nm what speeds should we expect. I'm hopeing we hit the 5Ghz boundary on air but is unlikely. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC-LAD View Post
    The Budget ARENA is where i'm looking, right now in the uk a R5 2600 costs £150 that is sub $200. I have a 1200 that cost me £100 back in July last Year and can be bought for about £40 used or about $60 used. Now will Zen2 bring us higher core count on this enter level segment or keep with their current Zen trend, If we get 7nm what speeds should we expect. I'm hopeing we hit the 5Ghz boundary on air but is unlikely. Any thoughts?
    I just got a Ryzen 5 2600 for £137,so AMD is delivering decent value in that area.

    I think AMD will probably have a 16C 7NM Ryzen 3 or perhaps even a 12C one. But the problem is Intel has upped the price of its top consumer CPU the 8C Core i9 9900K to £450.

    I can see AMD initially release a Ryzen FX with 16C at £400 to £450,and probably a 12C at £300 to £350. This might mean we won't see any significant increases in core count at the pricing tiers I would normal buy CPUs at.

    However,TBH I actually am less interested in more cores,but more in core IPC and clockspeeds and more importantly improvements to IF.

    IF consumes a significant amount of power relative to the cores in Ryzen.





    The reason why Ryzen likes faster RAM is because IF is clocked somewhat lower than it can be,most likely to save on power consumption and cooling.

    AFAIK,the next Ryzen has a number of improvements in this regard,ie,if they can increase the speed at which is clocked at,etc it could make a big difference especially for games. Many games are latency dependent and Ryzen has relatively high memory-CCX latency.


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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    I just got a Ryzen 5 2600 for £137,so AMD is delivering decent value in that area.

    I think AMD will probably have a 16C 7NM Ryzen 3 or perhaps even a 12C one. But the problem is Intel has upped the price of its top consumer CPU the 8C Core i9 9900K to £450.

    I can see AMD initially release a Ryzen FX with 16C at £400 to £450,and probably a 12C at £300 to £350. This might mean we won't see any significant increases in core count at the pricing tiers I would normal buy CPUs at.
    that seems like quite the high cc considering the market they are currently trying to sell to

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by PC-LAD View Post
    that seems like quite the high cc considering the market they are currently trying to sell to
    Well remember the Ryzen 7 1800X came out at £499 since the equivalent Intel CPU was nearly £1000. The thing is AMD to a degree is reactive to Intel pricing,so will price in relation to Intel and its been a thing for a very long time. So I can see them fully taking advantage of Intel upping prices,and remember doubling the cores and improving single threaded performance,at the same price as a 9900K would be huge. Then if Intel drops prices,AMD will and so on. This is how things used to be,unlike what happened for years. My main concern is regarding TSMC volume - 7NM is probably oversubsribed so its hard to say how many AMD 7NM CPUs will be available at launch.

    OFC,AMD might say,lets really do it to Intel,and price the top 7NM Ryzen CPU much lower,but we will see.

    Either way,you have a reasonably solid(and new) CPU with decent speed RAM,so you can get another year or more out of it. I expect as 7NM volume improves,we will see more competitive pricing as long as exchange rates are OK.


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