Are the neighbours dealing?

[schmunk]

I have known many dealers over the years. Some that sell weed, some coke, some pills never all three. I had a coke dealer living next door to me as well. Some of the stereotypes in this thread (from a drugs worker police liason as well??) are astoundingly ignorant and based on nothing but this 'pusher' mentality. I have never met a 'pusher' i.e somebody that gives kids free drugs to get them hooked. sorry, just does not happen in my experience. .

How about Heroin dealers? Or latterly Crack dealers? Met any of those?

You won't get people 'pushing' Coke or Weed, as they're not particularly habit forming and they have a relatively positive and desirable image, amongst certain parts of society.

Heroin / Crack are extremely habit forming and are 'escape' drugs - people often won't want to start using, but will accept an offer of a hit to make the pain go away. Once they have become addicted, they'll do anything to get another one - this is where the mugging / burglary / prostitution kicks in, not with Weed or Coke.

[G4Z]

Although i'm not generally a believer that smoking cannabis leads to heavier drugs, it is often the case that cannabis dealers can get involved in other activities and sooner or later that may include prostitutes etc etc. This may or not be cannabis dealing, you've no real way of knowing, but it's also not relevant.
http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/

This is what I was reffering back to me, strikes me that MISC despite being a community liason really has no experience with people who are involved with drugs. I mean of course its relevant what they are dealing, a crack or smack dealer is not the same animal as a dude selling a bit of green.

[G4Z]

Well, Schmuck I do not know any heroin dealers but I do know an ex addict. I have never asked him how exactly he got into it, I might do that one day if I see an opening but I doubt he was given a free sample by a dealer. More likely a mate.

I will say that crack is just a treated version of coke and you can make it yourself out of coke so therefore yes I know crack dealers. I will also say that coke is very addictive itself anyway, that being said I know a LOT of people that do it every now and again on the odd weekend and never have a problem with it (does not go for everybody, I do have a mate who had a problem but is thankfully over it now). While I will concede that there is usually some free drugs on the go with coke dealers I really don't feel that amounts to pushing, more like sharing at a party with people already into it than going out to get people hooked.

[G4Z]

uh also, all drugs are escape drugs. That includes booze.

[schmunk]

uh also, all drugs are escape drugs. That includes booze.

So you never have a pint of beer / glass of wine just because you fancy one? For you alcohol is a means to escape your otherwise painful life?

[schmunk]

I will say that crack is just a treated version of coke and you can make it yourself out of coke so therefore yes I know crack dealers.

Yes, that is technically true, but I'll bet you the people you know don't freebase it, as that's a whole world away from Cocaine snorting, and a completely different market of users.

I will also say that coke is very addictive itself anyway, that being said I know a LOT of people that do it every now and again on the odd weekend and never have a problem with it (does not go for everybody, I do have a mate who had a problem but is thankfully over it now).

You've just argued my point here. Have you ever heard of a Heroin/Crack 'dabbler'? Me neither.

While I will concede that there is usually some free drugs on the go with coke dealers I really don't feel that amounts to pushing, more like sharing at a party with people already into it than going out to get people hooked.

This may be true for you, but as you tend towards the Heroin/Crack market, where people are generally going to be less intelligent and more desparate, these tactics will be employed to gently ease people into addiction. TBH, I can't believe that so many people here don't believe this is the case - for me this is on a par with Holocaust denial...

[charleski]

The guy is dealing, and he's dealing to strangers from his own home. If there's one thing that's clear, it's that he isn't too well-endowed in the smarts department and is going to get busted with his entire stash sooner or later whatever you do.

[IBM]

Bloody excellent thread!

my contribution

[MSIC]

I think this has gotten a little out of proportion here, and will happily apologise by stating I had probably gone a little too far by mentioning prostitutes."(it is often the case that cannabis dealers can get involved in other activities )". Saying often was wrong.
Let me clarify the point a little, and hopefully draw a line here.
Based on my experience, it is clearly ridiculous to claim that cannabis dealing automatically leads to heavier crime. It's just not true. But sometimes it can, irrespective of the original intentions of said dealer, depending on who brings along various mates...

There appears to also be a worrying amount of "if it doesnt affect me then it's not my problem" attitude. All of us have a general responsibilty to those around us. It's easy to dismiss this as a 'curtain twitching' attitude and plain old being nosey, but my original idea, based on the original poster, is that you report stuff to relevant authrities and let them decide rather than make your own decisions about right or wrong.

I am reluctant to advertise my professional qualifications in an open forum but would be happy to PM anyone who wants a rational discussion on the matter.

[StoX]

...ridiculous to claim that cannabis dealing automatically leads to heavier crime. It's just not true. But sometimes it can, irrespective of the original intentions of said dealer, depending on who brings along various mates...

I think that cannabis does lead to more illegal things a good percentage of the time. Those dealing with it and getting away with it have already crossed the line, so they may push further by buying it in larger amounts to make greater profit. Cannabis isn't that great for profit anyway, so they might be tempted by dealing out some coke which is getting onto real money. I've seen this happen in more than one instance and I've seen what coke does to people and it's not nice. I believe canabis is a slippery slope to a certain percentage/ type of person which leads to worse things.

Anyway, I'd recommend drilling a hole through the wall and spying on them, then you'll know for sure what they're up to

[djfluff]

If you don't do anything, you may end up with this guy outside your door ..


Then you'll be sorry !

[Daymonkey]

If you don't do anything, you may end up with this guy outside your door ..


Then you'll be sorry !

Definate Sun reader.
It's more likely the guy's just supplying to the regulars so they can resell (which is much the case round here ayye) and the random's are just small stuff.

[trusz]

I'm glad you've cleared up some of your original statements but I'm afraid I strongly disagree with this:

my original idea, based on the original poster, is that you report stuff to relevant authrities and let them decide rather than make your own decisions about right or wrong.

Thankfully we live in a world where, in most places, we can make our own individual decisions about what is right and wrong. I dread to think how your ideal world would be. Would you think and make any decisions for yourself or leave them all up to a minority group to enforce their values and way of living upon you, regardless of your individual circumstance? It is worrying that you seem to be so eager to blindly follow rules without question. That, added to your spouting of seemingly unfounded 'freakonomics'.

I'd like think Vivi and his girlfriend are able enough to think for themselves and make their own decisions which will ensure their safety and piece-of-mind.

[med2003]

Vini

Can you spot your neighbours here?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...410250,00.html

If so then you know what to do.

"The power of 'The Sun' compels you! The power of 'The Sun' compels you!"

[MSIC]

It is worrying that you seem to be so eager to blindly follow rules without question. That, added to your spouting of seemingly unfounded 'freakonomics'.
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It's not about blindly following rules, but it strikes me that there are a few possible arguments here, one of which is (potentially interestingly) about politics:
2 extreme, opposing views being an Orwellian 1984, state-controlled type system that you seem to think i want (i do not), verses the other extreme of an anarchy where mob rules.
Clearly neither of these should (or hopefully could) ever happen.

My proposal is based on what is, rather than what should be. We have a police force. They are a finite service. If we as a society want to have some sort of balance between freedom, crime, justice, and privacy then we need to think (yes, i agree that we as individuals should do this!) about when to get the larger services involved.

Again, returning to the original post, that is what strikes me as reasonable. The police will not, based on one single annonymous call, go charging in bashing down the door with some sort of tank. In fact they probably won't do anything apart from log it. But i personally need to know that the public services (police, fire, ambulances, not to mention bin collecting, schools etc) that i help pay for are being directed properly, and for that to happen proper information is needed on a constant and ongoing basis.

[SmileyUK]

Next time one of them knocks on your door, say he has just popped out to pick up and will be back in 20 minutes. See how the lad reacts and then have a word with your neighbour, not saying you are going to do anything, just to keep his customers a little bit in check. That way your missus wont be so worried and you dont have to live with being a grass

He will probably get them to meet him down the street or something like that, and your good lady will see you as the hero for solving the "problem".

And some of the views on this board do make me chuckle, i wont say anything other than burn your copies of the independant as it makes you so far out of touch that you may as well be on the moon.