Isnt this stealing?

[Stringent]

Exactly what I was about to say. If it's managerial policy, fair enough, and it's time to test out exactly how far they'll let us go.

I'm going shopping tonight, I'll test their policy with toothpaste.

We also need some toilet roll.

And condoms.

Oh thats brilliant.

[Blackmage]

As opposed to filling a trolley with black forest gateau and lard?
Not.. really.

I normally can wait out the 30-40mins wait until the till.

[dangel]

I normally can wait out the 30-40mins wait until the till.

Ah, but as I said - the missus must check every aisle, at least 5 times before i'm allowed to leave. I've lost whole weekends in shops.

[SiM]

Which staff you asked? The guy packing he shelves on minimum wage? What does he care?!

Actually, I think they get paid slightly more than minimum wage...
as long as you got someone to blame then its all good

Feel free to use toilet paper, or condoms, but then you will get arrested for indecent excretation and indecent exposure

[Saracen]

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I just think thats wrong. Firstly, it is stealing, there is no eat now pay later policy, also it doesn't teach kids patience. Yes you can have that, but wait till we pay.

Whats everyone else think?

It isn't stealing. Theft requires that there is an "intent to permanently deprive" others of their goods. As long as you present the wrapper and pay, there is no intent to not pay. That's why shops wait for shoplifters to leave the premises.

Is it "wrong"? Dunno. Depends on your standards. But I would not do it, nor would I let my kids.

[kopite]

I walk around town with a starbucks quite a lot.

In fact on wednesday I walked around liverpool with a venti peppermint cafe mocha and went into shops. I even put it down on the counter whilst I bought a game. Does that mean i`m going to hell?

[TheAnimus]

going?

your living in liverpool already?

[SiM]

I walk around town with a starbucks quite a lot.

In fact on wednesday I walked around liverpool with a venti peppermint cafe mocha and went into shops. I even put it down on the counter whilst I bought a game. Does that mean i`m going to hell?

I think its only the people that work for or have worked for these shops appreciate these "manners"... customers usually respect no eating/no drinking if there is a sign saying so... if not, then customers are not doing it to be rude, they are doing it because they are hungry/thirsty/greedy... no harm done though...

[kopite]

Bring it animus


The shop in question didnt have a sign stating no eating/drinking. plus there was nothing on show I could damage as all the games are kept out back.

[Lord Midas]

I'm not sure what the problem is if you actually pay. I've been round Tesco and had to pop open the Smoothie I had. By the time I got to the till it was half full. I paid for it though, of course.

It could be seen as rude if whatever they're eating is spilling out of their mouth because they can't eat with their mouths closed.

And eating something and dumping the wrapper and not paying is plain wrong and people should know better.

I would much rather someone gave their kids a biccy to shut the up (sorry parents ) than have them scream the damn store down. It can be stressful enough as it is.

[Craig321]

I go to Tescos most times during the week to get my lunch. On thing which I think is wrong on a few levels is when you see parents going round Tesco with their kids in the buggies or trolleys. The parents give them some fruit or sweets from the isle. Then they present an empty packet at the end.

I just think thats wrong. Firstly, it is stealing, there is no eat now pay later policy, also it doesn't teach kids patience. Yes you can have that, but wait till we pay.

Whats everyone else think?

As long as they pay for it, does it matter?

[TheAnimus]

I would much rather someone gave their kids a biccy to shut the up (sorry parents ) than have them scream the damn store down. It can be stressful enough as it is.

I like to think of it as programming, when the higher level languages fail. You can always resort to punching the low level instructions in.

I wounder if anyone will write a book along the lines of pavlovian parenting.

[Mike Fishcake]

Feel free to use toilet paper, or condoms, but then you will get arrested for indecent excretation and indecent exposure

That sounds like a challenge to me!

[dangel]

I've not heard of "indecent excretation" as an offence before - did labour pass yet more pointless legislation this morning?

[Stringent]

As always Saracen you are right.

The Theft Act 1968 Section1 (1) states that a person is guilty of theft if: he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it.

So in essence then I could write a will stating that any item I have not paid for will be paid for upon my death. Is that theft? Its not permanent.

Stupid laws.

Theft is depriving someone and taking something which isn't yours. The fact that you do not own that pack of double chocolate chip cookies UNTIL you pay for it, is theft. Regardless whether its going to be paid for or not.

So later on, I'm going to unpack an HDTV kick back in a blow up chair and watch some DVD's for a few hours. Then pay for them when I'm done. Is that ethical?

Naa.

[Bazzlad]

As far as I was aware, legally it's only shoplifting the second you LEAVE the store.
So eating then paying is in fact legal.