Global Warming - something or nothing?

[Zhaoman]

The "multitude of evidence" works both ways - for and against.


"Most of the world's scientists and intellectual elite"? Have you got evidence for this?


No. Because it's happening at a slow rate and things adapt. It's called evolution.


Define "very soon" please


The Earth may be heating up, but it will coll down again. That's what the Earth does.


It does to me, because they're lying to us.

It does not work both ways, it only works one way: the Earth is undergoing a change and we are in for a rough ride.


Yes I can find evidence for you, just one moment.
edit: "The 2001 joint statement was signed by the scientific academies of Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, the Caribbean, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Malaysia, New Zealand, Sweden, and the UK. The 2005 statement added Japan, Russia, and the U.S. The 2007 statement added Mexico and South Africa. Professional societies include American Meteorological Society, American Geophysical Union, American Institute of Physics, American Astronomical Society, American Association for the Advancement of Science, Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London, Geological Society of America, American Chemical Society, and Engineers Australia." - do you trust Wikipedia?


Yes it is called evolution and evolution will favour jellyfish.


"Very soon" is the next 100 years as far as I have been made to believe.


edit: When the Earth cools down again 50,000 years later; we might have been wiped out. Don't you care about our own survival at all? Don't you agree that we must do something now rather than wait for the big squeeze and see if we're lucky enough for evolution to choose us? (irony intended)


As for whether the government should be lying to us... I would like to think that governments across the world have not bribed multitudes of scientists to come up with "fake" evidence. edit: If they did then fair play to them, it was very well done. Stalin would've been proud.

[j1979]

The "multitude of evidence" works both ways - for and against.



"Most of the world's scientists and intellectual elite"? Have you got evidence for this?



No. Because it's happening at a slow rate and things adapt. It's called evolution.



Define "very soon" please



The Earth may be heating up, but it will coll down again. That's what the Earth does.



It does to me, because they're lying to us.

im not sure how old you are, and i don't mean that in a derogatory way. just that people 25+ will prob recall summers, where it hardly ever rained from mid june to start of sept. thick snow in the winter, rain in late march and april etc. Now the clear cut differences of the seasons have gone.

that is something tangible for me at least.

[Agent]

....just that people 25+ will prob recall summers, where it hardly ever rained from mid june to start of sept.....

The Earth is commonly accepted to be about 4.5 Billion years old.
Measuring a difference like you're talking about over 25+ years is kind of a small period.

[Zhaoman]

I think we should have another poll: Who thinks the Earth is going to warm up considerably in the forseeable future.

I would hope that everyone agrees with the above fact and that we need to do something to preserve some of the things we love.

[Stewart]

just that people 25+ will prob recall summers, where it hardly ever rained from mid june to start of sept.

I'm over 25, I remember when we used to have Wispa bars.



Alas the last wild Wispas melted in the late 80s, and the last one in captivity melted June 1992.

We wont see the like of those wonderous beasts again, thats for sure. They all melted due to global warming.

If we don't act, the poppets will be next.

[j1979]

The Earth is commonly accepted to be about 4.5 Billion years old.
Measuring a difference like you're talking about over 25+ years is kind of a small period.

true, but im saying this is tangible for me. i did see consistency in seasons when i was a kid, i dont see it any more (or very much less so).

i stood on the bank of the river sheaf last july and watched as the water level rose 18ft in about 2 / 3 hours. i saw meadowhall shoping center underwater, and my street was a river for 5 hours.

[j1979]

I'm over 25, I remember when we used to have Wispa bars.



Alas the last wild Wispas melted in the late 80s, and the last one in captivity melted June 1992.

We wont see the like of those wonderous beasts again, thats for sure. They all melted due to global warming.

If we don't act, the poppets will be next.

they sell them in home bargains here in sheff 22p if i remember correctly (they were in date).

[koocha]

I'm over 25, I remember when we used to have Wispa bars.



Alas the last wild Wispas melted in the late 80s, and the last one in captivity melted June 1992.

We wont see the like of those wonderous beasts again, thats for sure. They all melted due to global warming.

If we don't act, the poppets will be next.

THEY'RE BRINGING THEM BACK!

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Bus...n%2Bfor%2Bgood

See, the Earth has these periods of change Things get back to normal in the end

[koocha]

true, but im saying this is tangible for me. i did see consistency in seasons when i was a kid, i dont see it any more (or very much less so).

i stood on the bank of the river sheaf last july and watched as the water level rose 18ft in about 2 / 3 hours. i saw meadowhall shoping center underwater, and my street was a river for 5 hours.

This is what the Earth does. Then it'll cool down again. Then warm up. Then cool down. See a pattern emerging here?

[Stewart]

Amazing what science can do now. If they can bring back the Wispa, they can bring back Mammoths.

[NovaSphere]

I voted something - we must act now.

The main argument against the threat that's called 'global warming' is the scientific proof that the earth's atmosphere, together with all the life within it, is in a cycle, every now and than that cycle breaks it's boundaries causing everything on earth to change it's way of life. This is a natural cycle.

This, on the other hand, does not mean global warming is fiction! This cycle can't be stopped, but global warming is making it worse, it's speeding up the process as we speak. Nature will take it's cause.

I agree with that the human race is a very resilient race, this though, does not mean it will survive this vicious cycle, in a way, the human race faces extinction almost everyday. But the consequences of global warming can not be overseen, whenever this cycle faces it's toll, even if the human race is so resilient, even if the human race would survive such a thing, makes you think; how many lives would have to be lost either way?
It is not particularly based on the survival of the human race, what about the survival of each and single individual?

Evolution is a process that takes thousands of years, you can not just wait for it to happen and accept evolution will save us all.
Humans are weak, the only thing that makes us superior to other organism’s is our brain capacity and ability to imagine. When nature takes it's cause, it will not be our brain capacity that saves the day but the survival of the fittest. In that, humans are far inferior to many other organism’s. (think small)

This is what the Earth does. Then it'll cool down again. Then warm up. Then cool down. See a pattern emerging here?

This is a cycle, but as stated above in my post; This cycle can't be stopped, but global warming is making it worse, it's speeding up the process as we speak.
The earth has had in every thousands of years changes of climate and atmosphere, changing the earth's landscapes into dry and barren wastelands or ice plateau's on a massive scale, there was not just one ice age in earth's history.
Howmany organism's went into extinction after the limit's of this cycle were crossed? The greatest example of the last ice age is probably the Mammoth.

Beside that, I live in the Netherlands, Rotterdam to be exact, 34 feet below sea level, the water here rises every year.

In the end, the only ones to blame for the fall of the human race would be humans themselves, as I've read in this topic before, as it is one of my favorite lines... Life always finds a way...

[Agent]

i stood on the bank of the river sheaf last july and watched as the water level rose 18ft in about 2 / 3 hours. i saw meadowhall shoping center underwater, and my street was a river for 5 hours.

Yes, thats what happens when councils give planning permission to build on floodplains and / or put inadequate drainage systems to take the water away.

I live on high ground and not on a floodplain. Never been any flooding here. The only place close to me thats had flooding recently is Bridge North - which is directly built around the river seven.
People there moan every year about the flooding. We went down on the motorbikes a few years back to see the flooding and some woman was crying outside blaming global warming. She utterly missed the fact that she had brought a house that was (literally) 30 Meters from a river that has been known to flood...well....forever.

We know the areas that commonly flood in the UK , but we insist on building in these areas. Global Warming has become the excuse for so many people buying property on floodplains recently.

[TAKTAK]

Organic food has a higher environmental impact than the regular cheap stuff. It's not any better for you either, in fact, in many cases it is far more likely to kill you.

Yup

The 'organic' farmers are allowed to use most of the same chemicals and lots of extra ones that your average farmer John isn't (and your average farmer can't use them... because they're not safe )... therefore your 'organic food' contains more 'stab your eyes out' chemicals than the 'normal radioactive' stuff

but the earth has cycles of heat periods... i.e. the iceAGE's emphasis on the 'S, then everything stabilises and is hunkydorey again... then it warms up and icecream melts and everone goes into a mass panic!!!

Amazing what science can do now. If they can bring back the Wispa, they can bring back Mammoths.

Quality

[koocha]

Yup

The 'organic' farmers are allowed to use most of the same chemicals and lots of extra ones that your average farmer John isn't (and your average farmer can't use them... because they're not safe )... therefore your 'organic food' contains more 'stab your eyes out' chemicals than the 'normal radioactive' stuff

but the earth has cycles of heat periods... i.e. the iceAGE's emphasis on the 'S, then everything stabilises and is hunkydorey again... then it warms up and icecream melts and everone goes into a mass panic!!!

I was under the illusion that "organic" meant no chemicals

[Agent]

I was under the illusion that "organic" meant no chemicals

"Organic" is different depending on what and who you are buying from.

Some people will call anything non genetically modified organic, while others will go as far as not to use chemicals. There is not a definition written in stone when it comes to food, so to speak.

[j1979]

This is what the Earth does. Then it'll cool down again. Then warm up. Then cool down. See a pattern emerging here?

??so we are agreeing that the earth is warming up??

im not sure i understand your point of view? are you saying it is warming up, but its natual?

if so i have not said either way if i think its man made!?! although i do think it is!

but this, was at least in my opinion the most extream weather ive seen in the UK. I dont know how to explain it, apart from it was quite wet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKPop...eature=related

im not saying i know what is causing it, just that, from my persective the weather has changed a lot in a short space of time.