Attacks in Paris

[peterb]

The irony of talking about the media brainwashing people and then mentioning religion......

Religion is brainwashing and that is the problem. These problems will always exist as long as people have a non-existent entity to hide behind.

No, these problems will exist while there are people who wish to use violence to achieve their political ends. Religion may be an excuse, but there are other examples of violence/terror where religion is not the justification.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

im catholic and i believe religion of any kind causes conflicts and wars in general.

Dont forget, over 100 years ago a few catholics/christians where doing exact same terrorist acts amongs innocent lives back in the day.

So dont suger coat it and think its just muslims now because before them the chistians where just as ruthless.

IMO, the sooner we have more none believers in our world, the better for us all as some small minority seem to take religoin as an excuse to kill innocent lives.

[Galant]

im catholic and i believe religion of any kind causes conflicts and wars in general.

Dont forget, over 100 years ago a few catholics/christians where doing exact same terrorist acts amongs innocent lives back in the day.

So dont suger coat it and think its just muslims now because before them the chistians where just as ruthless.

IMO, the sooner we have more none believers in our world, the better for us all as some small minority seem to take religoin as an excuse to kill innocent lives.

This just isn't true. I mean we're talking in huge generalities here but I'd say it's greed, lust for power, and a general human tendency to dislike, and fight against, anything 'different' that causes war. It's me saying that what's best for me and my tribe is more important than what's best for you and your tribe, and that at times you and yours are expendable for me and mine.

Lots of people have done lots of evil in the name of lots of ideologies, but let's not conflate different issues. We have here the matter of holding individuals and individual groups responsible for their actions. We also have the evaluation of comparative religions or, on a wider scale, ideologies and worldviews. Some may be more prone towards violence and conflict or compassion, than others. The two issues are obviously related but they remain distinct.

[TheAnimus]

Completely agree, but luckily in this country there aren't any problems with questioning or debating.

Completely incorrect.

I was censored here on Hexus for describing someone who had sex with a 6 to 9 year old child as a pedophile. I'm not sure what else you would call it. This is from a doctrine that enshrines such behaviour as divine.

You can not criticise religions, people protect them from having such claims made. So people are allowed to practice their ludicrous beliefs....

[j.o.s.h.1408]

watch this:

http://www.mensxp.com/special-featur...tching-it.html

Basically The americans are the main culprits of the rise of ISIS by them leaving all there weaponised vehicles in Iraq from the previous civil war and supplying ISIS with other weapons!

[kalniel]

Completely incorrect.

I was censored here on Hexus for describing someone who had sex with a 6 to 9 year old child as a pedophile. I'm not sure what else you would call it. This is from a doctrine that enshrines such behaviour as divine.

You can not criticise religions, people protect them from having such claims made. So people are allowed to practice their ludicrous beliefs....

Since when is Hexus the arbiter on law? Hexus, as a private forum, can set what further rules it likes - including those on swearing, tone, topic, politeness etc. that have nothing to do with the law and everything to do with the kind of forum they want to run. That doesn't stop you from discussing what you want outside of Hexus.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

Since when is Hexus the arbiter on law? Hexus, as a private forum, can set what further rules it likes - including those on swearing, tone, topic, politeness etc. that have nothing to do with the law and everything to do with the kind of forum they want to run. That doesn't stop you from discussing what you want outside of Hexus.

He diddnt say it was arbiter law. You stated that we have freedom to speak here when in reality we don't in certain places

[Danashcroft]

He diddnt say it was arbiter law. You stated that we have freedom to speak here when in reality we don't in certain places

Never a truer word spoken

[HalloweenJack]

Since when is Hexus the arbiter on law? Hexus, as a private forum, can set what further rules it likes - including those on swearing, tone, topic, politeness etc. that have nothing to do with the law and everything to do with the kind of forum they want to run. That doesn't stop you from discussing what you want outside of Hexus.

He diddnt say it was arbiter law. You stated that we have freedom to speak here when in reality we don't in certain places

actually this is a public forum - anyone can read the comments here without registering.

which means if you slander or defame a person , they *could* sue the owners for the posters details , then take legal action against the poster ; this has happened elsewhere (PPRUNE for example - where Ryanair was defamed , so the airline went after the forum owners)

[kalniel]

actually this is a public forum - anyone can read the comments here without registering.

which means if you slander or defame a person , they *could* sue the owners for the posters details , then take legal action against the poster ; this has happened elsewhere (PPRUNE for example - where Ryanair was defamed , so the airline went after the forum owners)

Yes, note I said 'further' rules (ie, in addition).

[The Hand]

I'm thinking all Black Friday "Sales" should be cancelled considering the risk of further attacks in Europe is likely to be very high. Asda already cancelled theirs since the borderline riots they had last year.. also Christmas and New Years shopping and festivities are going to be a major security headache/risk.

Apparently the government are advising in the event of a terrorist attack, to run and hide and not to "play dead" by the way for obvious reasons..

[j.o.s.h.1408]

I'm thinking all Black Friday "Sales" should be cancelled considering the risk of further attacks in Europe is likely to be very high. Asda already cancelled theirs since the borderline riots they had last year.. also Christmas and New Years shopping and festivities are going to be a major security headache/risk.

Apparently the government are advising in the event of a terrorist attack, to run and hide and not to "play dead" by the way for obvious reasons..

yea this is insane man.

[barca-loner]

Are you capable of distinguishing between the KKK or Westboro Baptist Church, and your local church?

Yes I am, and are you capable of distinguishing between the KKK and Daesh?

I acknowledge that there are terrorist groups that are active in the world that claim a Christian identity. Most are active in Africa.

However, can we walk into a book store in any city in Europa and purchase a book that glorifies the killing of non Christians? Not in Barcelona or, from my travels, in Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam or London. And if it were available it would be banned from sale in the stores. But walk into any Sunni Islamic book store, and find that the best sellers are hard line Wahhabi texts either in Arabic or translated into Spanish, English, French or German. These are texts that are interpretations of the Corán, and can be claimed if banned it's religious censorship. That virus has been left to grow for at least 20 years and probably longer.

Until the general populous discover that, they are not going to see the big picture.

But for discussion, may we say your point of view is correct for one moment, and most Muslims in Europe do not have hard line views. I don't see examples of hardliners being rejected by their community, just countless quotes where the wife or relative of the attacker "had not idea my Husband was hard line". Of course the wife of a suicide bomber can't confess she knew. The Muslims communities in Spain, Untied Kingdom, Germany and France will protect themselves. So we are back to the reality that hard line Islamic views are the normal condition or at very least not uncommon or unexpected.

[ik9000]

Yes I am, and are you capable of distinguishing between the KKK and Daesh?

I acknowledge that there are terrorist groups that are active in the world that claim a Christian identity. Most are active in Africa.

However, can we walk into a book store in any city in Europa and purchase a book that glorifies the killing of non Christians? Not in Barcelona or, from my travels, in Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam or London. And if it were available it would be banned from sale in the stores. But walk into any Sunni Islamic book store, and find that the best sellers are hard line Wahhabi texts either in Arabic or translated into Spanish, English, French or German. These are texts that are interpretations of the Corán, and can be claimed if banned it's religious censorship. That virus has been left to grow for at least 20 years and probably longer.

Until the general populous discover that, they are not going to see the big picture.

But for discussion, may we say your point of view is correct for one moment, and most Muslims in Europe do not have hard line views. I don't see examples of hardliners being rejected by their community, just countless quotes where the wife or relative of the attacker "had not idea my Husband was hard line". Of course the wife of a suicide bomber can't confess she knew. The Muslims communities in Spain, Untied Kingdom, Germany and France will protect themselves. So we are back to the reality that hard line Islamic views are the normal condition or at very least not uncommon or unexpected.

One of the wives of the 7/7 bombers said afterwards "she had no idea". She lied through her teeth. She is now a fully fledged terrorist on the international wanted list, believe to have partaken in the Kenya attacks. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...l-Shabaab.html

[peterb]

Completely incorrect.

I was censored here on Hexus for describing someone who had sex with a 6 to 9 year old child as a pedophile. I'm not sure what else you would call it. This is from a doctrine that enshrines such behaviour as divine.

You can not criticise religions, people protect them from having such claims made. So people are allowed to practice their ludicrous beliefs....

I'm not sure which post you are referring to, but I have moderated posts (including yours) where the tone might be considered inflammatory or an allegation that has not been proved in a court of law. So describing someone who has been convicted for having sex with a 9 year old as a paedophile would be acceptable. Where that is conjecture, it would not.

Since when is Hexus the arbiter on law? Hexus, as a private forum, can set what further rules it likes - including those on swearing, tone, topic, politeness etc. that have nothing to do with the law and everything to do with the kind of forum they want to run. That doesn't stop you from discussing what you want outside of Hexus.

Indeed. While we encourage debate and discussion we except it to be conducted in a reasonably civilised manner, so attacking an idea is fine, but attacking the person (verbally!) is not. We also have to be mindful of the legal considerations regarding incitement to stir up racial hatred and similar. As non of the mod team are lawyers, we will always err on the side of caution and remove anything that we think might be in contravention of those laws.

We occasionally see comments about denying "the right to free speech". Such a right exists in that you can go down to speakers corner at Hyde Park and say what you like, but you are then accountable take responsibility for what you say.

As a private forum where members are able to post only after they have bee invited (including self invitation) you implicitly agree to the rules and decisions by the mod team. Of course, we don't always get it right, so anyone who feels they have been unfairly treated does have a right of appeal to the site owners, HEXUS Ltd.

[shaithis]

No, these problems will exist while there are people who wish to use violence to achieve their political ends. Religion may be an excuse, but there are other examples of violence/terror where religion is not the justification.

People do not blow themselves up to give someone else a bit more political power.

They can be pursued to do it under a religious context though.