Boris is Boss

[neonplanet40]

I believe that the thread should remain open. Regardless of which 'side' you're on, this is the most monumental decision that many of us have ever been a part off. As such, it is bound to cause controversy and, at times, heated exchanges. But regardless of that, I believe members are learning a lot from it (from both sides of the argument - including those that hold no side) which can only ever be a good thing.

Leave it open! We are already finding more middle ground than our politicians have managed to do in 3 years. They could learn a lot from our members in this thread.....

[TeePee]

We have to have at least one thread speculating on Boris's ability or attempts to avoid the Surrender Bill. He knows, at this point, that there's no deal that will pass, no matter how good, and he's unlikely to reverse his ditch comments .. It's going to be an interesting month....

[Smudger]

We have to have at least one thread speculating on Boris's ability or attempts to avoid the Surrender Bill. He knows, at this point, that there's no deal that will pass, no matter how good, and he's unlikely to reverse his ditch comments .. It's going to be an interesting month....

And there you go, ramping up the rhetoric that caused all the furore in the commons last night. 'Surrender', 'Traitors', 'Enemies of the People', all used by a certain government in a certain era in the last century in order to force through what they'd decreed was 'the will of the people'.

[TeePee]

And there you go, ramping up the rhetoric that caused all the furore in the commons last night. 'Surrender', 'Traitors', 'Enemies of the People', all used by a certain government in a certain era in the last century in order to force through what they'd decreed was 'the will of the people'.

Thanks! I'm so glad you're here to calm things down. No one would accuse you of 'ramping up the rhetoric' with a post like this!

[Zak33]

and how does everyone feel about swearing in this thread?
When feelings run high, and a t0sser or kn0b-head pops out in description of an MP or a flat earther....

As long as it's not aimed at people here, are you feeling the need to stick the odd bloody or bsst4rd into your posts? Or does it lower the tone?

[Top_gun]

And there you go, ramping up the rhetoric that caused all the furore in the commons last night. 'Surrender', 'Traitors', 'Enemies of the People', all used by a certain government in a certain era in the last century in order to force through what they'd decreed was 'the will of the people'.

I guess Richard III was a real amateur by comparison.

[Top_gun]

and how does everyone feel about swearing in this thread?
Wehn feelings run high, and a t0sser or kn0b-head pops out

As long as it's not aimed at people here, are you feeling the need to stick the odd bloody or bsst4rd into your posts? Or does it lower the tone?

I think swearing can get in the way of articulating a point.

What we really need is not to have views constrained just because it does't fit well in the Tory/Brexit camp. The last three or four thread reviews are a testimony to that, imo. At the moment, it is not clear which individual is initiating the first step and this action could comprise the position of our world class moderation team in some people's eyes in terms of impartiality. Take the poll on "is brexiteer an insulting term?" for example.

[Corky34]

Regardless of which 'side' you're on, this is the most monumental decision that many of us have ever been a part off.

I know Boris can be a bit Marmite but using our only working time machine just to stop his mum & dad having a prosecco fueled fumble one October night in 1963 seems like a waste.

[Spreadie]

I believe that the thread should remain..

Leave it open!

So you're voting Leave and Remain?

Get off the fence, man!

[spacein_vader]

So you're voting Leave and Remain?

Get off the fence, man!

I wonder if his name is Jeremy?

[TooNice]

While the powers that be decides the fate of this thread, I will sneak in something that clicked watching yesterday's episode.

Johnson is objectively or subjectively many of the things he is accused to be, namely a serial liar (objective), Trump Jr. (subjective), but one thing that I haven't seen him called is..

A big fat tur.. sorry, Freudian slip, I meant troll. If we go by the description of an internet troll on the Wiki:

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.

So, replace the internet by the parliament, and internet troll with Johnson and we have the perfect depiction of yesterday.

Johnson sowing discord by making inflammatory statements or replies, and the MPs raging like forum members who've never encountered a troll before.

The solution to restore order in the parliament is therefore the same as dealing with internet trolls. Don't feed him.

The bad news is that Johnson is an untrustworthy scheming PM, so they can't ignore him completely.

But the good news is that he is the PM of a minor government meaning that they can moderate his actions. Like the good Hexus mod team

[peterb]

I think swearing can get in the way of articulating a point.

What we really need is not to have views constrained just because it does't fit well in the Tory/Brexit camp. The last three or four thread reviews are a testimony to that, imo. At the moment, it is not clear which individual is initiating the first step and this action could comprise the position of our world class moderation team in some people's eyes in terms of impartiality. Take the poll on "is brexiteer an insulting term?" for example.

It is rare for Top_gun and I to agree, but I agree fully that we should not relax the standard of language and debate.

I cannot see how relaxing those rules is going to improve the quality of discussion on the forums - in fact I think it will reduce it. Superfluous name calling is just childish and goes back to ‘playground politics. (IMHO of course)

[Galant]

Leave it open. As has been said, there's enough news right now that another thread will pop up and it won't stay fixed on a narrow view but become a Brexit thread.

Language should be per normal forum rules. Can't see a reason to break the rules for this subject. In fact, perhaps a good rule of thumb is - if you feel a strong need to *bleep* then maybe calm down first before posting.

If someone does get out of hand and gets personal, maybe just get harsh and delete those posts, to try to keep it clean?

[TooNice]

Food for thought..

If one finds it justifiable of accusing pro-remain MPs (or voters) of being "traitors", would I be justified of calling the people who are threatening or committing violence against MPs (I should add, on either side, but it seems to me that one side has been consistently more aggressive) of being "terrorists"?

Definition:

a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Dangerous rhetoric? *Shrug*, I think something snapped yesterday and I conclude that if one side make no effort to being cordial, why bother with the niceties. And as they say if the shoe fits...

And what do we do with terrorists? No, not drop bombs on their head (well, we do that too, but that's not what I am advocating), 1. No negotiation, 2. Throw the books at them.

[TeePee]

Food for thought..

If one finds it justifiable of accusing pro-remain MPs (or voters) of being "traitors", would I be justified of calling the people who are threatening or committing violence against MPs (I should add, on either side, but it seems to me that one side has been consistently more aggressive) of being "terrorists"?

Definition:


Dangerous rhetoric? *Shrug*, I think something snapped yesterday and I conclude that if one side make no effort to being cordial, why bother with the niceties. And as they say if the shoe fits...

And what do we do with terrorists? No, not drop bombs on their head (well, we do that too, but that's not what I am advocating), 1. No negotiation, 2. Throw the books at them.

Threatening violence, or committing violence against MPs in pursuit of a political goal is absolutely terrorism. Even if that MP has betrayed the British people.

[Domestic_Ginger]

There we go; pop in another buzzword to keep things cordial.

Next someone is going to use the #getbrexitdone hashtag. Social media brainwashing and tabloid browsing has been painful to hear.

A radio phone in provided the most rational phrase I have heard in a long time, brexit hasn't divided the country; the way brexit has been reported has divided the country.

I'm in agreement there is no mandate for no deal. The campaign promises in 2016 said it would be a walk in the park, we would get a ridiculous sum of money each week for the NHS. (The Head of the NHS actually asked when he was getting his money. Silence.)

This latest escapade is a desperate attempt by Boris to move to complete anarchy. Its got desperate.

My current hope is that article 50 is extended to January. The EU tax evasion laws should hopefully come into force and the financial backers of the brexit campaign and the tory government should face the fire of what they have been so desperate to avoid.

wrt Johnson. Whenever he comes even within a bargpole of making sense to me; the fall's Big new prinz starts playing in my head. No idea if its true or not but a leopard never change his spots.

Rock the records
Check the record
Check the guy's track record
Check the record
Check the guy's track record

He is not appreciated