Do you like small ?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Had a more detailed look at the design:

http://www.casemodblog.com/?p=581

So basically all the exhaust is vented though the PSU unless you have a dual slot graphics card. It also relies on the PSU to act as the main system fan too.
Never been a fan of designs like that unless it is a low powered system. Probably this is why I never went for the Sugo SG01 or SG02 in the first place. I prefer to keep system temperatures at a decent level(even in a warm room) at the expense of some extra noise.

[Biscuit]

yeah sorry that was totaly the wrong link i posted earlier my bad

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_5542.html

Anyone have any ideas how much power one of these with a Celly E1200 and a single HDD is likely to use? Could you get away with a 120w power brick?

[Cov]

Alright, so apparently it is not easy to find a heatsink for Mini ITX motherboards.

Here's what I have found so far ...


Thermaltake Rsi 775









Nexus FLC 3000









Masscool 8WA741











Fan Type: CPU Cooler
Socket Type: 775
Fan Speed: 4000 RPM
Noise Level: 39.5 dBA
Air Flow: 74.34 CFM
Heatsink Material: Aluminum
Copper Core
Copper Heatpipe
Bearing Type: Ball
Voltage: 12 V
Current: 0.35 A
Power Consumption: 4.0 W
Fan Speed Control: PWM Control
Connector(s): 4-Pin
Fan Dimensions: 92 x 92 x 25 mm
Heatsink Dimensions: 96.5 x 95 x110mm
Life Hours: 50,000 hours



The MeOrb











Heatsink Material Aluminum Fins
* outer circle:92 fins
* Inner circle:69 fins
Heatpipe Copper Pipe ø 6 mm x 2pcs
Fan Dimension ø 92 x 20 mm
Rated Voltage 12V
Started Voltage 7V
Power Input 3.00W
Fan Speed 800 ~ 1700 RPM
Max. Air Flow 38.9 CFM
Max. Air Pressure 1.25 mmH2O
Noise 16 dBA
Life Expectation 50,000hrs
Connector 4 Pin
Weight 258g

Dimension 106.8(L) x 94.6(W) x 47(H) mm



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[Cov]

... and some more ...

Thermaltake CL-P0480 Blue Orb Mini









Heatsink Dimensions : mm (W x D x H) 100 x 100 x 68
Heatsink Materials Aluminium
Air Flow : CFM 40.05
Fan Speed : RPM 2500
Noise : dBA 21
Fan Dimensions : mm 80 x 25
Fan Connector 3 pin



Max Orb (might be too big)









Intel Socket 775 Heatsink with Fan











Air Flow Rate 26.97 ~ 52.4 CFM
Color Blue
Connector Types 1 - TX3 Female
Fan Bearing Type Ball Bearing
Noise Level 27 dBa
Number of Conductors 4 Pin Connector
RPM 1500 ~ 3500
Shipping (Package) Weight 1.33 lb [0.6 kg]
Heatsink Dimensions 3.86 x 3.86 x 3.50 in.
Fan Dimension 92 x 92 x 32 mm
Weight 0.85 Lbs



Zalman CNPS 7000 (might be too big too)











Dimensions: 109 (L) x 107 (W) x 63 (H) mm
Weight: 750g
Base Material: Pure Copper
Bearing Type: 2 Ball-Bearing
Speed: 1,350 rpm ± 10% ~ 2,400 rpm ± 10%
Noise Level: 17.0 dBA ± 10% ~ 24.0 dBA ± 10%

[Biscuit]

Hard to say unless you make a decision on mobo and case

[Cov]

That's easy ...

Motherboard: Zotac 9300-ITX WiFi
PC Case: Lian Li PC-Q07

[Biscuit]

Well the height restrictions of the case dont seem to be too severe but looking at the motherboard it doesnt look liek you have a lot of space between the CPU socket and the ram modules or NB heatsink.

[Cov]

Wow, what a clear picture !!


Hmm, the heatsink might be more problematic than I thought.
Although the 45 nm CPU generation are pretty good in regards to heat development.
And if everything else fails, I just undervolt / underclock and use passive cooling.

Looks like the Mini ITX standard is getting slowly but surely stronger.
Hardware manufacturer still have to catch up I guess ...

[Biscuit]

i dnt think there is a huge pull for them in the market to be honest. A lot more people prefer to just buy ATX over even mATX nevermind ITX although now with the drive for lower power and HTPCs you might be right.

[mycarsavw]

http://www.vantecusa.com/front/product/view_detail/96

The xbox mod-scene use the above to cool the CPU/NB in the first gen consoles.

Dimension: 88 x 65 x 15 mm
Fan Speed: 5500 RPM
Power: 1.98W
Airflow: 8.6 CFM
Fan Dimension: 45 x 45 x 10 mm

Nothing overly impressive but they're tiny and their intended purpose is as VGA coolers - another avenue perhaps?

[Cov]

That's just amazing ...



Look at the dimensions !!
But how would I fix this cooler on a 775 socket I wonder ? Hmmm ...

Never thought about that, but that's an incredible idea: VGA cooler for Mini ITX CPUs !!

If that doesn't work, maybe passiv cooling and hoping that the airflow from case & PSU fans are sufficient, keeping a close eye on temperatures.
And in the worst case scenario, we could always undervolt / underclock ...

[mycarsavw]

Hey, I do what I can, when I can

xbox heatsinks measure (l x w x h)

CPU 70mm x 60mm x 35mm
GPU 51mm x 43mm x 25mm

As for installing them, see this thread for the ghetto method - note the amount of thermal paste he used

[scaryjim]

Anyone have any ideas how much power one of these with a Celly E1200 and a single HDD is likely to use? Could you get away with a 120w power brick?

Resisting the temptation to advise you to consult Google, I was kind of interested myself, so did some research. This AnandTech review couples a 9300-based mATX board with a Q9300, 4GB RAM and a 640GB Hard Drive and the highest power they manage to draw from the system is 110watts, so I'd say yes It also indicated that they have pretty impressive performance (gaming performance equalling or bettering the 780G / 790GX).

I have to say, I'm getting tempted...

EDIT: While I say I'm tempted, £120 just for the motherboard kind of leaves me cold (I guess that's the main reason mini-ITX hasn't risen too much in popularity!). Plus, I keep having real difficulty in seeing past this little beauty (yes, I know it won't be anywhere near as good for HTPC, but £80 for a board with built in, dual-core, hyperthreading goodness?!?! Come On!)... I just keep picturing these on every desk at work...

[arthurleung]

i dnt think there is a huge pull for them in the market to be honest. A lot more people prefer to just buy ATX over even mATX nevermind ITX although now with the drive for lower power and HTPCs you might be right.

I still haven't quite got why people prefer ITX over a laptop, where the laptop use half or 1/4 as much power, have a smaller footprint, cost less and doesn't need assembly.

mATX still make sense with decent expansions (who really need more than 3-4 slots with everything integrated nowadays).

That Zotac board does look amazing, only if I can find an enclosure that will fit this board AND have 6x5.25" or 8x3.5" slot. Would be perfect for NAS

Never thought about that, but that's an incredible idea: VGA cooler for Mini ITX CPUs !!

If that doesn't work, maybe passiv cooling and hoping that the airflow from case & PSU fans are sufficient, keeping a close eye on temperatures.
And in the worst case scenario, we could always undervolt / underclock ...

Integrate it to the chassis like Shuttle did.

Celly E1200 probably around 65W, still doesn't beat my T8300 that only eats 30W at full load.

[Cov]

There are many reasons for me why I prefer Mini ITX over a laptop ...

1. I want to continue using my 24" monitor instead a smaller laptop screen (would never return to 17").

2. I want to be flexible in regards to CPU / memory / HDD ... (upgrading is cheaper than on laptops).

3. I prefer using a full size keyboard over a laptop keyboard (I don't need my PC to be portable).

4. I prefer using an optical mouse instead the touch pad (I know that you can use an external mouse on a laptop).

5. Quadcores are not existing on laptops.

6. Laptops are not always 100% compatible with PC games (and their GPU is usually not strong enough).

7. The inconvenience when something gets broken (with desktops you can exchange the broken part easier & cheaper).

8. Desktops tend to be cheaper than laptops in general with comparable specifications..

9. Laptops get stolen much, much easier ...

[DeludedGuy]

There are many reasons for me why I prefer Mini ITX over a laptop ...

1. I want to continue using my 24" monitor instead a smaller laptop screen (would never return to 17").

2. I want to be flexible in regards to CPU / memory / HDD ... (upgrading is cheaper than on laptops).

3. I prefer using a full size keyboard over a laptop keyboard (I don't need my PC to be portable).

4. I prefer using an optical mouse instead the touch pad (I know that you can use an external mouse on a laptop).

5. Quadcores are not existing on laptops.

6. Laptops are not always 100% compatible with PC games (and their GPU is usually not strong enough).

7. The inconvenience when something gets broken (with desktops you can exchange the broken part easier & cheaper).

8. Desktops tend to be cheaper than laptops in general with comparable specifications..

9. Laptops get stolen much, much easier ...

Good luck carrying your 24" monitor, case, keyboard and a UPS/generator in your bag

Your argument is flawed, just get a regular ATX if your going to have a PC.