Well, I'd say it definitely was "clearly written", which would rather militate against any assumption of composition under the influence of intoxicants. Whereas your rants, Koolpc, appear to be becoming increasingly less reality-adjacent and more incoherent. Your hallucination that Stewart ever said that it was great to take drugs, for instance, being a good exampleOriginally Posted by Koolpc
. Seriously, whatever it is, you need to cut down on it...
To be fair the debate is only as good as it is because we have some disagreement and some people putting forward the typical prevailing daily mail view that pro-legalisation proponents are up against. It has given the pro-leglisation (or just anti-making-criminals-out-of-everyone crowd) a good platform to blow a lot of the stupid arguments (the home secretaries arguments as well) out of the water.
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Yeah, you've got to the point of just shouting (or in this case typing) random things mate.Well, I'd say it definitely was "clearly written", which would rather militate against any assumption of composition under the influence of intoxicants. Whereas your rants, Koolpc, appear to be becoming increasingly less reality-adjacent and more incoherent. Your hallucination that Stewart ever said that it was great to take drugs, for instance, being a good example
Its only a thread on a forum mate, try to keep things together.
You've already suggested I should be banned, and now you are going on about me being on drugs.
Take a chill pill.
Mate, its not a view its a fact.Don't work for me then....
TBH this view I find more dangerous than anything else in this thread....
I might as well come out and admit it, I smoke the skunk our Jaqui is talking about. I don't get stoned before work, however back when I was at uni I used to go to work baked without fail. I frequently play very complex games on my PC and do my best mixing after having a toke. It really does not affect motor skills or reaction times like alcohol.
SpringerLink - Journal Article
The study above is not very extensive but does seem to show that reaction times are largely unaffected once a little bit of tolerance to the drug is acquired.
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NOW you've done it - you're an evil drug pusher promoting this filthy new drug called "chill", aren't you? Trying to hook innocent kids like Koolpc on it - what's wrong with you, Stewart, profits from dealing Cake, not enough, eh?
What just happened there?
I tickled your Shatners Bassoon
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cake is a made up drug.
Your right there =) I can still play videogames when baked without problems..tend to enjoy certain ones more too. I've been on many raids in WoW while stoned (which are fairly complex tbh when you have 40 people trying to work together over TS2), and we've played a fair bit of DoW in the past while intoxicated...doesn't limit what you can do in those situations at all. Heck I got some of my best CSS matches while toking.
The same isn't true when I didnt have tolerance though it has to be said, when I first started I would be terrible lol, but then thats the same with alcohol isnt it really? When you first start drinking you can be off your head after a couple of pints, unable to do much..but then when your used to it you start to gain more control and can enjoy a drink while still doing more complex stuff.
Driving is a different issue, as i'm not comfortable with anyone driving who has been intoxicated with any drug - cannabis or otherwise.
Quite agree, doing complex things is not the same as driving given that there is no danger involved in games. So I wouldn't ever smoke and drive, but that is not to say I would find it difficult if I tried and I am sure I could be perfectly competent behind the wheel if I was to do so.
: so I wasn't gonna comment on driving but i did anyway... hehe
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I'd like to see some linkage for that claim thou? I've always observed an amazing difference, the only time i could beat one of my house mates at mario kart was when he was toasty.
The thing is, i'm very much in favour of the government not ignoring the report, but at the same time the bad drugs advocacy really pisses me off, as so few of these people who say "it never causes any problems" haven't actually spent time with the poor folk who it does.
I can see why cannabis should be illegal.
Yet for the life of me i can't see why ectasy isn't allowed to be sold, taxed and refined by the drug companies.
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Wow, one person admits to using Cannabis and you want to get them banned? I smoked a few joints when i was younger, i bought alcohol under age, i've gone in excess of 100mph. All illegal, go on, rant that i should get banned.
Gee, what a sad life trying to get people banned.
I've seen someone who has suffered mental health problems, supposedly down to cannabis use. Personally i think this may have been due to previous problems and that blaming the drug seemed the easy way for the family to explain it to others.Given that one study that found a positive link used such a widespread definition of psychosis that everyone would classify as suffering from mental health issues, of course there appears to be a link.
The link between mental health issues and cannabis is still somewhat debated, although it does seem to be erring on the side of there being some effects. However, the big trouble here is the need to classify all varieties of cannabis as the same drug. There is such a widespread difference between the breeds that a single proclamation simply cannot encompass all the effects and lack of effects. Sadly, though, this is an entirely unavoidable situation.
Edit: There is also the fact that mental health matters suck. They actually tend to be a nice encouragement to take to drugs in and of themselves. Since the nature of mental health issues is such as it is within society, accurate monitoring of mental health status is very difficult indeed, with people covering up as much as possible until it becomes, due to circumstance, drug use or the passage of time, more than they can handle.
As for your edit, i agree wholeheartedly. As someone who has suffered from depression its all too easy to find relief in other ways. Drugs being one way, alcohol being the other. I went alcohol. Not a nice way to drown out your problems.
I've seen plenty of friends using Cannabis, mainly for recreational use, but one for medical* use. None of them have had any issues what-so-ever. They didn't go on to take harder drugs, they never committed crimes to fund their habit. A couple of them grew their own plants, so didn't fund criminal gangs.
Re-classifying Cannabis to class B is just going to waste more Police time & money.
Sorry luv, we can't get to you at this moment, we're booking a hard core criminal who had a joint on him.
Or.
I'd give you 5 years jail, but we don't have the space for you just yet, i just jailed 4 Cannabis users, can you come back next week?
I know what i'd prefer to see my Tax money being used for.
*I thought that was the job of anglers when they got bored of catching?*
*I'm an Angler before anyone moans, its called having a laugh
Another view that seems to be neglected in all of this is that it doesn't have to be a purely binary argument.
Very few things in life are exclusively either black or white. Shades of grey very much define human existance and matters of ethics, safety and health.
My opposition to this move by the government comes simply from my background in the physical sciences and engineering, and my knowledge of sociology and psychology. I feel it is terribly sad that governments time after time make decisions that wantonly ignore all the scientific details, and typically trumpet on about their make-believe concepts whilst ignoring the far stronger, but less daily-mail, arguments.
In this case, the funding and involvement of organised crime in cannabis production is perhaps to me the strongest and most unequivocal argument for legislation changes. However, there is only one change that would truly be effective against this - legalisation and hence the ability to undercut the criminals.
Legalisation doesn't even have to be along the same sorts of lines as cigarettes and tobacco, either. There are plenty of varied options available, and these could even allow people easier access to assistance with any underlying reasons for turning to drugs.
I also find it quite telling that those for the government's changes don't wish to discuss this report which I have already linked to.
As a final note, I shall link to the official comment regarding the changes by the charity DrugScope.
I provided a link with the claim mate.
You are right there are negative sides of each drug, I don't recall denying that however the claims of the damage done to society are vastly overstated. I just do not think prohibition is a good way to combat the negatives (small that I contend they are).
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Just another point to note - not all cannabis in the UK comes from criminal gangs, and I would go as far as saying a large proportion doesn't.
Yes most of the stuff on the street probably is, but then most cannabis smokers don't pick up off street dealers - you'd have to be mad or desperate to do so..theres the issue of rubbish weights, and much more serious is the fact that you have no clue what you are buying. This is especially concerning at the moment because of the huge amounts of gritweed thats floating about.
Lots of the "other" dealers who deal only to people they know are selling UK homegrown stuff these days - not the mass produced commercial stuff that helps to funds organised crime.
This is of course anecdotal as I don't have any real evidence to back this up, but the above has been my experience both in real life, and from reading various sources online.
edit: Maybe also worth pointing out that lots of alcohol also goes to fun criminal gangs - how many of you have bought alcohol from a corner shop? Now, do you really and truely believe that every single corner shop in the UK has bought their alcohol 100% legally and paid duty on ALL of it? I promise you now that its not the case, so many of them buy from people doing "booze cruises" or illegal importing booze...and lots buy from people off the street who just "happen" to have a few bottles of whisky going spare with a tesco price tag on them...I currently work with a lot of small shops and I guarantee that this goes on nationwide. So that bottle of vodka you buy on a friday night could quite easily have been supplied by the very same criminal gangs who supply other drugs to the UK.
Last edited by Spud1; 08-05-2008 at 02:24 PM.
Simply put. I dont know anyone that has dropped out of uni because of alcohol, yet i can name loads of people that have dropped out becuase of weed, and god knows what else. You can say im a hypocrite but im not. I dont drinkn alcohol because i wanna get drunk and like the effects of it. I drink it cause i enjoy the taste, jsut like ribenaIrritating, aren't they?
And they all seem the same, KoolPC, Blitzen, now Merlin.
They all just arrive in the thread, tell everyone exactly what should be what, making it clear in the process they know nothing about it, then spout some moral crap about slippery slopes, and think they have made a contribution.
Then when the argument turns against them, they sheepishly stop posting, like Blitzen did. Not admitting they might have been wrong, of course.
Any more?
KoolPC, say drugs make you laugh at disabled people...
Blitzen, claim that people who take drugs also kill swans...
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