Never mind fox hunting.....

[floppybootstomp]

Your misguided distaste for the people involved rather than an act you don't understand or have ever witnessed;

Misguided? How so? Please explain to this ignorant one.

And how the hell do you know I've never witnessed such an act? Don't make assumptions, my friend, you'll lose. You don't know where I come from.

As one which is rather unpleaset but not fundimentaly any worse than your reacquired enjoyment in eating any virtually any processed food.

Nice Organic butchers here, been established 40 years or so. It's fresh meat, not processed, or so they tell me, I don't really know, but you gotta believe someone

And you could try using a dictionary...

Just knock that chip off your shoulder!

No chip here mate, I really prefer humans to animals.

No offence, but it is you that sounds rather like a hypocritical politician. I won't really care if the ban finally comes into effect. But please, please don't make out like you care.

No offence taken, really, and I do care, really. Do you find that hard to understand? Sad.

I don't mean to offend you if i have (or anyone really). I guess we will have to agree to dissagree. I don't know you, you don't know me. I am sure you are a top guy. And I realise won't be changing your mind by saying what I am saying, your probably just going to dissagree more. There is little more left to say in this tired thread anyhow. Take care

You take care as well. You haven't offended me. I don't know you, it's true, but I do know a fair few people like you. We get on. We agree to disagree but we all get our rounds in.

And how come you can say there's little left to say in this 'tired thread'? You only been here five minutes, it's cos of you I came back, you actually provoked me to make a response (although now I'm having second thoughts).

Happy New Year

[autopilot]

Sorry about the spelling there! You know someones stuggling to retort when they point that out

Sorry you missunderstound my original post.

Happy new year

[floppybootstomp]

Sorry you missunderstound my original post.

I don't think I misunderstood it..

Lemme go take another look...

*pause*

Nope, pretty sure I took it all in.

You still up?

Insomniacs annoymous

I'm off to bed, will probably dream about foxes..... or red coats, lol

[skins]

But that's the thing, every land owner doesn't give permission. As a hunt can't dictate which areas a fox will run the chances are that during a hunting day the hunt will trespass on someone's land. This includes residential gardens, animal sanctuaries, public highways etc. From experience it doesn't matter how many times one complains it happens over and over.

Get out in your garden or whatever it is you have and let of two 32grm loads of 12 gauge.

[G4Z]

my god has this thread risen from the dead again?

[Thatch]

It risen again yes !

Probably because the Countryside Alliance are challlenging the legality of this ridiculous ban. Hopefully someone will realise that its going to be impossible to enforce.

The chances of anyone who cares about the countryside just accepting this ludicrous ban are very slim I'm afraid GAZ so be prepared for more debate and yet more ... as we're not taking it lying down.

Especially all the time there's nutters like chriscom
wandering around cyber space spouting ill informed nonsense about fox hunts in peoples gardens and animal sancturies lol !

[Rave]

Cows dying out? OK, what about the large numbers of cows that are bred purely for milk? We don't eat them all you know. That would also mean it would be a tad difficult to get cheese, yoghurt, butter & cream as well.

Well, the beef and dairy industries are inextricably intertwined. What do you think happens to all the male offspring of the dairy cows? They're raised for slaughter, that's what.

Rich :¬)

[RVF500]

The bottom line is that this ban should never have become an issue. There are far more important issues going on in the country than the hunting of wild dogs. The real crime here is nothing to do with animal welfare but the amount of time, effort and taxpayers money that have gone into, and will continue to go into, this legislation.

How about Tony and his cronies step out of their ivory tower and try sorting out some of our other national and social problems before embarking on a thinly disguised class war. We have health education and crime problems. Housing, immigration, alcoholism on the rise, drug abuse and all it's incumbant baggage. Road and rail networks that are not so much creaking at the seams as burst through. But hey, let's ignore those and stop country folk getting a stiffy over a wild dog getting torn up.

BTW, I'm country folk and that kind of thing never has nor ever will give me a stiffy. Just wish townies would leave the countryside alone. All they ever do is screw it up.

[Thatch]

Couldn't agree more with RVF, don't hunt myself so no stiffy for me. However I have followed on foot with a few, as my wife is a member of the East Sussex and Romney Marsh Hunt.
I'm really quiet appalled that Tony Blair could throw so much time and money at this class war (members of the labour Party have indeed described it as a class war in the national press).
I too think that housing, education, crime and immigration are imeasurably more important that destroying an traditional British institution like fox hunting.
He's a scum-bag and I sincerely hope he's out at the next election, although my sixth sense warns me they could still be in charge ..... aarrrrrggghhhh !!!!!!!!

[Flibb]

Im back, have followed West Kent now the Old SUrrey and Burstoe / West Kent Hunt on foot. Have also followed the local mink hounds.

[skins]

Shot 3 vixens and 2 dogs last night.

Ban or no ban, it makes no difference to me, I just get pissed off with the 'toffs' versus commoners arguement. If you went to a hunt meet you would meet the lowest to the highest of all social groups.

Incidently, its really easy to get a firearms certificate now for fox calibers, I wonder why



Skins

[Flibb]

Am tempted to get a variation, currently have .22 rim what are you using? Am also in Kent, small world.

[floppybootstomp]

I really, really, don't think it is a toffs vs commoners argument, as much as lots of people would like to think so.

No, the argument is clear cut in my mind.

It's those who have compassion for living creatures versus those who get their jollies by killing.

Lots of 'toffs' ain't that keen on killing, much to their credit.

I've mixed with all social groups, don't have a problem with anybody because of their social status. But I do have a problem with people because of their attitude.

Some human specimens are still really quite primitive aren't they?

The toffs vs commoners presumption is just a smokescreen to attempt to forgive those with a bloodlust.

[Flibb]

Yep all those of us that eat meat are rather primative. Luckilly thers all these clever vegans around to look after us.

I spent the bst part of yesterday evening with my hands up inside a variety of phesants preparing them for the dinner table, distinct lack of bloodlust.

[floppybootstomp]

Yep all those of us that eat meat are rather primative. Luckilly thers all these clever vegans around to look after us.

I eat meat.

That's controlled factory farming.

I'm not too happy about it, but there ya go, we're omnivores.

(see my previous comments in this thread about the whole veggie/vegan/carnivore argument, I'm not repeating all that again).

Again, a totally seperate argument is being used to justify somebody's love of killing.

So, let me get this straight, controlled Fox Hunting, specially bred dogs, red jackets, social gatherings, a common jacking off over a kill is all to control pests?

No, come on, own up, it's sheer bloodlust, no more, no less.

You like the country? Go plough a field, or lay a pipeline, drive a combine harvester, become an ornithologist or something. But no, there's no tickling that primal excitement nerve there, is there? Only killing will do that.

Desperate arguments to justify a human weakness, that's all it is.

[Flibb]

I did read you posts its just they are totally alien to me, I don't distinguish between farmed animals and wild animals the way you do. I have visited a abattoir, and didn't like what I saw, hence I prefer to kill as much of what I eat as possible. My methods of killing are more humane, the pheasant I prepared yesterday will have had a better life than most chickens.

Your comments about how a hunt operate just show you haven't been, the majority of people hunting wont see the fox being killed. As to wearing a red jacket, well thats helps people see the huntsmen, breading the dogs is done because cats are a bit small, foxhounds are good at killing foxes they have a very good sense of smell and hunt by smell alone hence the speed they travel at. The social gathering bit is actually quiet clever, it allows the people on horse to be kept under control and away from the hounds, people also pay to follow the hounds, the jacking off bit well cant say Ive ever done that in a field, and never on a horse am really rubbish at horse riding.

As to me loving the countryside, yep I do, I can actually do many of the things you list, I would like to add I can catch, kill, butcher and cook most edible animals in the UK, I also graduated from a uni doing conservation management and do a bit of conservation work in my spare time.