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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    We'll disagree on that one then, I'm kinda pronuclear tbh, yeah ok so you dont want them in built up areas but perhaps underwater or in places that are already uninhbitable...
    Or just on sites where there is already a nuclear facility, that would work

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    I don't like Incinerator Power Stations or Nuclear. I'm old fashioned about leaks and contaminations you see.
    So it's mostly current gen stuff you're against? What if we can get nuclear working without highly radioactive isotopes?

    It IS a finite resource. If we as a human race can lower our use of it sufficiently we will have a lot longer to survive than if we use more of it in wasted things.
    Currently it is, but it need not be in the future.

    Wind and Wave and Solar power all require power, to be made in the first place. Turbines, generators etc... huge towers, concrete bases etc. There will come a time with an increasing population where the amount of electricty that can be made will be outstripped by what we need.

    When the "amazing" windfarms need expanding to cover the Christmas lights, where will the energy come from to make them? From wind farms? Who is going to be able to make sufficient Concrete by raising the temperature of the base minerals, while releasing yet MORE CO2 from the actual process... with a wave farm?
    It probably only releases CO2 if you generate the power from fossil fuels in the first place (but I don't know about making concrete - maybe there's a step that's especially CO2 producing?). We can do almost anything with electricity now, so if we sort out the electricity generation from non fossile fuel sources then that's a huge step. The other big step is human consumption of meat, so if you're worried about CO2 then go veggie. I did.

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    The other big step is human consumption of meat, so if you're worried about CO2 then go veggie. I did.
    As much as Zak goes on about the environment, I don't think you'll get him to go that far

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    I know that it is slightly off topic, but as far as the environment goes, the reason why CO2 is such a problem is because we are still cutting down swathes of forests that would otherwise have converted that CO2 into Oxygen!

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    It does seem overkill. Maybe, the personal carbon credit allowance would limit this kind of thing?

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by StoX View Post
    It does seem overkill. Maybe, the personal carbon credit allowance would limit this kind of thing?
    gooooood call

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    (but I don't know about making concrete - maybe there's a step that's especially CO2 producing?).
    Kal, it's VERY worth while looking up Concrete Production and the way it's been missed out of the WindFarm CO2 calculations.

    The ferocious temperatures to create concrete are only part of the issue too.... and the transport of it obviously. But the actual process of making Concrete is a vast CO2 producer.. because it' chucks out CO2 in the process as part of the chemistry. None of this is taken into account on Windfarm CO2 calculations.

    It's a heady subject.. .. makes me giddy. because we need Concrete for virtualyl everything.

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    right what we need is a new power station that doesnt run on oil coal or gas but puppies
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    now that i think about the word "throttled" in a certain light... its not so far different to strangled really

    our boiler broke so we has no heating or hot water, this is the bloody result ^^

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    Kal, it's VERY worth while looking up Concrete Production and the way it's been missed out of the WindFarm CO2 calculations.

    The ferocious temperatures to create concrete are only part of the issue too.... and the transport of it obviously. But the actual process of making Concrete is a vast CO2 producer.. because it' chucks out CO2 in the process as part of the chemistry. None of this is taken into account on Windfarm CO2 calculations.

    It's a heady subject.. .. makes me giddy. because we need Concrete for virtualyl everything.
    We should use plastic

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    [...]I sit firmly with Trig on this, as I do on many subjects. It's about family time.

    [...]

    I don't believe in God, or Christ, so why so I like Christmas?

    Partly because, as DannyM said, it reminds ME of childhood and that's a good thing. And mainly because Trig is right. It's about Family, mates, a bit of time off work together, and some good grub that you normally don't have.

    I DO like a Christmas tree, which IS in the loft and DOES have lights on it, and some poor sod in a water logged home with no money can't have that, so I AM being selfish and putting MY belief in MY desires for some kinda power useage for no reason.[...]
    There are probably adult now, who grew up in an environment where lights were used in greater quantity than when you were a child. What about their childhood memory? 500-600 years ago, is it be possible that Christmas was celebrated differently to the way you are/enjoy?

    Personally, I view Christmas trees as a bit of a waste. Actually, it's probably more of a waste than I even realise. But then, why be a miserable sod over something that makes others happy (I mean, it makes you, and I don't mean just you Zakk - happy right?).

    One thing I could agree to though, is that at least the councils need to be reasonable over Christmas lighting. I wouldn't want my tax to go for Christmas lighting/decoration starting from the start of November and lasting till the end of January.

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    One thing I could agree to though, is that at least the councils need to be reasonable over Christmas lighting. I wouldn't want my tax to go for Christmas lighting/decoration starting from the start of November and lasting till the end of January.

    tax is one thing.. I love my money.. I keep it close so you're right...

    but it's not the money at stake here...it's the CO2 creation and the waste of power.

    (Christmas trees are nearly CO2 neutral as they absorb a fair bit while growing)

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?



    A bit off from Christmas Lights, but ah well, it was a bit ironic.

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by DannyM View Post
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    A bit off from Christmas Lights, but ah well, it was a bit ironic.
    I wouldn't call it ironic seeing as though it is targeted advertising, if you make a thread about car insurance, you'll get car insurance ads... well... if there are techy car insurance ads...
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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    I could see the irony if I made a thread ranting about car insurance advertisements only to find one though

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    Re: Should Environmental Issues and Limited Power Restrict Christmas Lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    It's a heady subject.. .. makes me giddy. because we need Concrete for virtualyl everything.
    Never fear - the UK geniuses have started to rectified this issue

    http://www.forumforthefuture.org/gre...icles/concrete

    Carbon absorbing concrete is the future building material that is going to help with this.

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