Hamilton's 3rd Place at Australia in Question

[j.o.s.h.1408]

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i knew it. doesnt make sense for ham to lie.

[DeludedGuy]

doesnt make sense to risk it for 1 point lol

Don’t forget the other 1 point McLaren would have gained in the constructors table, so that’s 2 points and a trophy.

[ACiD303]

From James Allen's Blog:

The suggestion being voiced here is that the FIA considers this matter so serously that it is considering taking this matter to the World Motor Sport Council where further sanctions might be applied.

That is, probably just, a tad severe.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

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What they believe is that the omission of the information about the radio communication between the team was withheld and that is misleading.

all radio comms are open, can't be 'held' back at all as far as i know

[kalniel]

all radio comms are open, can't be 'held' back at all as far as i know

They mean that when discussing the incident with the stewards hamlaren didn't mention something that was said over the radio which might have influenced the stewards decision (according to the FIA).

Re the cock, well wouldn't be the first time McLaren were thrown out for 'cheating'. Wouldn't be in the interests of the sport though, and in this case they just need to get a contrite apology from hamlaren for any mistake and that should be the end of it.

[pauldarkside]

Ah come on, it's Button's year at long last - he's unbeaten so far this season

[j.o.s.h.1408]

They mean that when discussing the incident with the stewards hamlaren didn't mention something that was said over the radio which might have influenced the stewards decision (according to the FIA).

But hamilton wasnt asked about the incident, they was asking mclaren wasnt it?. the only lier here is mclaren the team, not the driver hamilton.

So they diddnt mention something in the radio, cant the stewards analyise the radio first and foremost instead of asking the team?

[kalniel]

Ah come on, it's Button's year at long last - he's unbeaten so far this season

Subject to appeal

[j.o.s.h.1408]

Subject to appeal

i wonder what position he would come in if he was driving a mclaren last week

[kalniel]

But hamilton wasnt asked about the incident, they was asking mclaren wasnt it?. the only lier here is mclaren the team, not the driver hamilton.

Yes, Hamilton was asked about the incident by the stewards.

So they diddnt mention something in the radio, cant the stewards analyise the radio first and foremost instead of asking the team?

There shouldn't be a need for that. The stewards should be able to ask each side for their side of the story and expect that to be truthful and detailed enough to bring a decision without having to waste more time doing investigation work. It's only if the radio information contradicts what the stewards are told should there be much concern - but we don't know if that's the case here - it might contradict it, or it might simply just be additional information that wasn't put forward initially, in which case the punishment is a bit harsh imho.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

Yes, Hamilton was asked about the incident by the stewards.

here is no implication that Lewis lied to the stewards.

As I understand there is a belief that the team was not explicit enough in the content of the radio communications to the stewards.

At the end of the day, Lewis did nothing wrong, he never lied to the stewards according to your quote and therefore punishing him doesnt make any sense

[kalniel]

At the end of the day, Lewis did nothing wrong, he never lied to the stewards according to your quote and therefore punishing him doesnt make any sense

No-one is saying he lied, just that he and the rest of the team ommitted information.

[Gerrard]

To be honest, this situation is a bit ridiculous. I think they need a referee type system, where decisions can be made almost instantly. In this situation, where the teams aren't really sure what to do, you could have ended up with both Trulli and Hamilton trying to let each other pass, so they don't get penalised like this. Someone should have been able to go at the time "These are the rules, driver x should be in front", and just leave it at that. It's becoming a bloody joke now. Might as well wait a week before handing out the trophies and champagne, just to make sure everyone's happy with the result.

[kalniel]

To be honest, this situation is a bit ridiculous. I think they need a referee type system, where decisions can be made almost instantly. In this situation, where the teams aren't really sure what to do, you could have ended up with both Trulli and Hamilton trying to let each other pass, so they don't get penalised like this.

Formula one aims to have just such a system, but unfortunately it was too busy to answer at the time.

It's becoming a bloody joke now. Might as well wait a week before handing out the trophies and champagne, just to make sure everyone's happy with the result.

As I said last year, I think it'd be easier if they just give the championships to Ferrari at the start of the season and let every one else race it out for prizes on a race by race basis for the rest of the season.

[kalniel]

Ah, here we go:

The Team mistakenly believed that the radio transmissions had been reviewed by the FIA on Sunday 29th March 2009, and consequently did not believe it was necessary to discuss them with the Stewards on that date.

Mistake, not malicous. They should have reversed the places at most, disqualification is well harsh.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

Ah, here we go:



Mistake, not malicous. They should have reversed the places at most, disqualification is well harsh.

ha u see Kal, and there u lot where accusing Hamilton for being a lier and a idiot. clearly he diddnt do much harm . Back Hamilton lads his british!!