Not too bad, it's seriously Piss*** me off.Originally Posted by revol68
Why bring up the subject of inertia and proper movments? There's never been a football game that the players could turn on a sixpence. Game producers have always tried to give players real weight and dynamics too. Since actua soccer, they've always done the best they could.
I was actually hoping for some one to tell me i'm doing somthing wrong and to do this instead, not quote somthing off the fifa website
No I acknowledge your point about players simply not moving, like I said it's a problem in every football game I've ever played and I actually find it less of a problem in FIFA 09 than any others. Your other point was about players acting in predetermined ways and not responding instantly, now maybe you meant something else but in that case you were poor in articulating your problem.
Anyway as it is almost everyone with wit and or who appreciates a realistic representation of football (including a massive amount of previously PES fans) has switched to FIFA, a good thing as it shows that a gamers appreciate quality game making and aren't willing to be taken for mugs by lazy half arsed developers who think they can rest on their laurels because of past success. Maybe Konami will pull it's finger out this year and put some real effort into next PES.
"The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx
yeah and every game has tried to be as realistic as possible too, doesn't in any way mean that all games have equally suceeded in achieving it, certainly not the latest Pro Evo's.Not too bad, it's seriously Piss*** me off.
Why bring up the subject of inertia and proper movments? There's never been a football game that the players could turn on a sixpence. Game producers have always tried to give players real weight and dynamics too. Since actua soccer, they've always done the best they could.
I was actually hoping for some one to tell me i'm doing somthing wrong and to do this instead, not quote somthing off the fifa website
As for doing anything wrong, well I don't know what exactly you are doing, but generally if I push in the direction towards the ball and have the right player selected they move towards it, not instantly ofcourse but they nonetheless move.
"The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx
No, you were talking about players not responding instantly, turning on a six-pence and the like, don't confuse yourself. My point was about players not responding at all.
Its nothing to do with inertia, or weight, and I made no previous points about players not responding instantly. Its nothing to do with me being poor in my articulation of my problem, you simply confuse yourself.
One more time - sometimes on FIFA (and not, as far as I've noticed, on PES) I will attempt to do something with my player, but it seems a pre-determined series of events has started, and so my inputs do nothing. On PES the ball feels completely seperate from anything and so you don't get this.
Thats just it though, they don't always move. by the time the other player has jogged round yours and got the ball another player might be selected as being in the best position.
I've just found the time playing a normal matchs of fifa infuriating. And if i move it down a level i win 6-0. So i leave the level up, every game ends 0-0 and pees me off on the way.
Don't worry though revol, i'm sure PES will pee me off aswell.
What level are you playing at that every game ends 0-0? I play it at Professional and World Class and have had 4-3 thrillers, it's probably more to do with the tactics of the two teams, try playing in a different style.
"The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx
I've tried many formations and saved the tactics of many different teams and tried them all.
This does go back to the origional post i made about strikers from league 2 not being able to hit a barn door or score a 1 on 1 ever.
After 13 games in league 2 i had 11 draws (ten were 0 - 0 and one was 1 - 1) aswell as one loss (1 - 0) and one win (1 - 0) thats with different tactics and formations. (profesional level 6 min halfs)
Moved it down to semi pro and won 6 - 0 followed by 5 - 0 so moved it back.
I'm gonna play more with the better teams before PES arrives, to give it a proper going over. But you would at least think that crap strikers should be able to score against crap keepers?
It's certainly harder to finish with strikers from League 2 (or the old division 4 before things got daft) but far from impossible, also regarding tactics, I didn't just mean the actual formations, but how you are actually playing, I was finding it near impossible to get any chances with Roma until I changed my style of play.
I'd also suggest playing FIFA with better teams as you are missing out on some excellent play by not.
"The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx
I did say in the post that i'd saved the tactics from many other teams, i loaded them up on to my league 2 teams tactics and tried about 6 different ones.
But it's not the problem of creating chances, the last match i did i had 14 shots at goal with 9 on target and about 4 1 on 1s with the ball over the top from the counter.
The few i do score are from close in headers or the ball played accross the goal. But lower the level and they go in from 25 yards, headers, 1 on 1s .
I gonna do another manager mode as a prem club tommorrow, see if it's any better.
I mean how you ACTUALLY play, not the various formations and tactics you set outside the game. However if you are creating chances but just not finishing, well I'm bemused, you haven't set Shooting to manual have you, you'd struggle to hit a barn door with Rooney with it set to manual.
"The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx
The change to the prem teams has ment the goals are coming alot easier and i may have to move up from profesional for that game.
Even managed to beat Chelsea 2 - 0 with my reserve team with Arsenal in the league cup.
It's such a shame that they've done that and made the lower divisions in this way, it's just so poor.
There's also another thing thats starting to bug me too, why is it when you try and play a first time lobbed pass or cross the player just does a little chip that goes a few feet.
Headed it back to my goalkeeper and held down high pass and he's done a little chip to Owen who was a few yards away.
It doesn't happen all the time but why does it happen at all? you get it somtimes if you have a long string of first time pases one player will just decide he's not going to put any power behind it.
I really want to do the manager mode with one of the lower teams, but it's just not very enjoyable.
Whats the point of doing it with a club thats there already?
In real league 2 matches there's no shortage of goals normally, so why is it the strikers in that div with fifa find it so difficult to score.
They do have what i thought would be a nice feature with the scouts, but they can only report on one position, whats wrong with having them inform you of good players of any position?
This one must just be me missing somthing though, but is there no way of placing bids for players who arn't on the transfer list? Can i not do searches by player names or look at clubs and and place bids on thier players?
Answers or fixes for any of the above would actually be very welcome.
The through passes are power dependent, if you are doing a lot of first time passes and then try and dink one over the top you need to hold it in slightly longer, you can't just tap it and expect it to land where ever you want.The change to the prem teams has ment the goals are coming alot easier and i may have to move up from profesional for that game.
Even managed to beat Chelsea 2 - 0 with my reserve team with Arsenal in the league cup.
It's such a shame that they've done that and made the lower divisions in this way, it's just so poor.
There's also another thing thats starting to bug me too, why is it when you try and play a first time lobbed pass or cross the player just does a little chip that goes a few feet.
Headed it back to my goalkeeper and held down high pass and he's done a little chip to Owen who was a few yards away.
It doesn't happen all the time but why does it happen at all? you get it somtimes if you have a long string of first time pases one player will just decide he's not going to put any power behind it.
I really want to do the manager mode with one of the lower teams, but it's just not very enjoyable.
Whats the point of doing it with a club thats there already?
In real league 2 matches there's no shortage of goals normally, so why is it the strikers in that div with fifa find it so difficult to score.
They do have what i thought would be a nice feature with the scouts, but they can only report on one position, whats wrong with having them inform you of good players of any position?
This one must just be me missing somthing though, but is there no way of placing bids for players who arn't on the transfer list? Can i not do searches by player names or look at clubs and and place bids on thier players?
Answers or fixes for any of the above would actually be very welcome.
"The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx
Yes, i get that!
Nothing to do with through passes. If you read the post aswell you see that i say "held down high pass" i'm well aware that they are power dependant.
Found out how to bid on players not on the transfer list, but there's still a number of really annoying issues that the 'reviews' don't pick up on.
Unless i'm still missing somthing?
PES 2009 just arrived a day early
I was thinking of moving to FIFA as the last one was dreadul, but FIFA on PC only has 1v1 online support whereas I play quite a lot of 2v2 (still play PES 6 for that).
Demo was good as well for the new Pro Evo - just installing full version now, will let you know some thoughts on how it plays/any bugs.
I'll save you the time, it's bad. (PC version)PES 2009 just arrived a day early
I was thinking of moving to FIFA as the last one was dreadul, but FIFA on PC only has 1v1 online support whereas I play quite a lot of 2v2 (still play PES 6 for that).
Demo was good as well for the new Pro Evo - just installing full version now, will let you know some thoughts on how it plays/any bugs.
It doesn't play like the demo that much.
I'm gonna play it some more but the ball sticks to the players feet, they improved the defence AI but when you have the ball the players in your team don't make the runs or move they way they used to.
Lots of standing still. Tryed to use RT to make the players run but you need a 1 - 2 for that.
And why is it Theo Walcott can't out pace anyone?
And the become a legend mode, what a farce. you spend all your time playing in training games with the reserve team against the first team. so aswell as loosing every match as the other teams far better, you hardly get the ball and even rearer score a goal while not going near the first team game after game.
Think i'll give football games a miss this year, i don't particuly like either. Might have to ebay then both or flog them at work.
Damn, i was sure i'd like at least one
Really can't decide whether or not to pick up PES. Always been a hardcore fan, but ended up buying Fifa this year and really enjoying it so far. Hmmmm...
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