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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    But they basically had to 'overclock' and overvolt to get it to 5ghz.. Not a great sign, though presumably this might improve with bios revisions, or perhaps they'll simply work with systems builders to have them manually set up the boards rather than relying on the default speed/voltage tables.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    at the game settings they used you`ll be gpu limited , they need to lower them or drop the res to take the gpu out of the equation.
    Yes, not much point benching a CPU at GPU limited settings. Ideally reviewers should bench at both settings since the info can occasionally be useful but when benching CPUs the default should be at low resolutions. (By 'occasionally' I mostly mean when reviewing low to mid range CPUs so that people building to lower budget can see that how a Pentium/i3 or FX6300 etc performs in actual games. The ideal of benching at high settings may also show high-end CPU in a more realistic light if a game or the graphic drivers use the CPU for some features.)

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    between a stock i7 SB and an i7 HB. (and this is a first) - both of those are 1/2 the price or less than this AMD `beast` ; if it was £300 then it would make sence - not £700.
    Even £300 is too high IMO unless it comes with a really good cooler or something. £300+ would only be justified if it could compete with LGA2011 which it can't. Also IB-E is out in a few months so that's moving target. Can't really see the point of this CPU except as a PR thing: so that these results can be seen in reviewers tables. But that would only work if reviewers mention that FX9550 is an overclocked FX8350; and I think the main CPU which AMD can hope to sell to gamers is an overclocked FX6300 since i3 can't really compete with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    317 watts system load - wonder if my gtx 480 uses that on its own lol
    Power load is pretty poor compared to Intel's mainstream but I was surprised at how much power LGA2011 uses. Guess quad channel memory and all that cache doesn't come cheap power-wise.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    I found the review to be quite biased in the choice of comparisons (e.g. not comparing against cheaper overclocked Intel CPUs when it does well, but comparing against them in tests that Piledriver does badly in).

    Since an 8350 + high end cooling will get to 5GHz with a decent motherboard, it makes this new release pretty pointless at this price. But I don't like reviews that aren't objective.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    The FX9370 is listed on Amazon US:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...A?tag=at055-20

    It comes to around £228 excluding taxes.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The FX9370 is listed on Amazon US:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...A?tag=at055-20

    It comes to around £228 excluding taxes.
    So what, £349 in the UK?

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by teppic View Post
    Since an 8350 + high end cooling will get to 5GHz with a decent motherboard, it makes this new release pretty pointless at this price. But I don't like reviews that aren't objective.
    Well, they used to. If AMD are cherry picking the best silicon for the 9xxx range, then your overclocking chances for an 8350 just dropped!

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Well, they used to. If AMD are cherry picking the best silicon for the 9xxx range, then your overclocking chances for an 8350 just dropped!
    Ha, I hadn't thought of that. I hope that doesn't happen or they'll have devalued probably the best option for lower cost gaming, and out-priced themselves by miles on this one.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by teppic View Post
    Ha, I hadn't thought of that. I hope that doesn't happen or they'll have devalued probably the best option for lower cost gaming, and out-priced themselves by miles on this one.
    There was always an element of that though.

    The 8350 is otherwise an 8320, but there is an implication that 8350 was cherry picked silicon. They moved the goal post onwards a bit that's all.

    I just hope this stirs up some interest in the AM3+ platform, it seems to be limping a bit judging by the not that impressive motherboard choice.

    The FM2 socket isn't quite up to my needs yet. If they did a part with half the shaders and 6 cores or a huge amount of cache then I might be interested, but there isn't one.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    So what, £349 in the UK?
    It seems to be priced around the same as a Core i7 4770K on Amazon.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Hopefully this is not true:

    http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130716PD202.html

    The GF 28NM process is a half node shrink of the 32NM process and is meant not to be SOI either,and still they have problems with ramping up production of larger chips??

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Hopefully this is not true:

    http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130716PD202.html

    The GF 28NM process is a half node shrink of the 32NM process and is meant not to be SOI either,and still they have problems with ramping up production of larger chips??
    TSMC had loads of problems with 28 as well if I remember correctly. Obviously probably not comparable, but still, it seems a tricky one!

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    I thought it was still an `unknown` where would fab these? both glofo and tsmc have been mentioned.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    TSMC had loads of problems with 28 as well if I remember correctly. Obviously probably not comparable, but still, it seems a tricky one!
    I just hope AMD can get mobile version of Kaveri out before Intel releases their dual core 14NM mobile CPUs.

    Edit!!

    Some more details about the PS4:

    http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/16/s...pment-kit-fcc/

    Possible maximum 2.75GHZ clockspeed for the CPU?? OTH,a comment states it might be something to do with the wireless portion of the console.
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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Just done a bit of searching on the subject, and Extremetech suggest, if true, it could be down to fab capacity - GloFo's 28nm line also has the fairly large die console chips to deal with ATM, and who knows, maybe AMD might actually use them for GPUs in the near future?

    Either way, it's all just rumours ATM so we'll just have to wait and see. End late 2013 to early 2014 isn't necessarily a huge delay, heck it could be a few days later.

    It would be nice if we could see some (more?) Kabini systems soon though!

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    £660.

    Edit:
    lso of note is a "max clock frequency" listing of 2.75GHz, and although we don't know how fast the game system will run by default, it's interesting to hear what all that silicon may be capable of (as a commenter points out below, that may relate to the system's 8GB of GDDR5 RAM)
    Makes sense to me: 2.75x2=5.5(5500MHz is a standard figure for the 78xx).
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