Muslim Ghettoisation

[Saracen]

Doubt he'll be back to do that though. I have a feeling this was a statement he wanted to make, rather than the opening of a discussion.

Perhaps. But why don't we all give him the benefit of the doubt. So far, if this is an attempt at a discussion, just about every post has been about anything but the subject of the post.

Can we all get back on-topic please, and give him and the thread a chance.

[Stewart]

Ok Boss.

[iranu]

He's a hit and run poster on more than one site. It's a poorly worded and somewhat pointless post. I would respond properly but I doubt that the OP will ever come back to read the replies.

[Scientist]

To be fair I read the post now and while it does make some valid points its completely one sided and as has been said above is poorly structured/written. If the OP does want to discuss the issue I'd love to know his/her thoughts on why he feels this is specific to only Muslims.

[shadowmaster]

To be fair I read the post now and while it does make some valid points its completely one sided and as has been said above is poorly structured/written. If the OP does want to discuss the issue I'd love to know his/her thoughts on why he feels this is specific to only Muslims.

Agree, I can think of quite a few other groups that some of the points apply to. Anyhow as Iranu said I think its a hit and run job, but I will reserve judgement till tomorrow. That should give the op sometime to reply if he intends to.

[Blitzen]

Muslim Ghettoisation
We live in a shrunken world and millions of people are on the move; one of our biggest challenges is how we learn to live in proximity to difference – different skin colours, different beliefs and different way of life. According to a study by COMPAS, Muslims born and educated were given the impression of outsiders. The perception among Muslims is that they are unwelcome in Britain is undermining efforts to help them integrate into wider society. Most of them say that they have experienced race discrimination and religious prejudice. Muslims and Islam is promoted a fundamentalist and separatist by the western elite, which have negative impact on community and social cohesion. The number of racist incidents occurring in London Borough of Redbridge’s schools have reached their highest levels since record begin.

A City or a locality, where Muslims are in majority is a ghetto. There is a tendency for people of similar backgrounds to live together in neighourhoods. The term”ghettoisation” is inappropriate. The original ghettos in Europe during the middle ages were set up by law to confine the Jewish population to one area of a city. According to a research by an Australian academic that Muslim communities in Britain are being increasingly ghettoized in a trend that set back hopes of assimilation by years. Britain has now eight cities in the top 100 most ghettoized cities. The people from the Pakistani community in Bradford and Oldham and Leicester had trebled during the decade. A report by an academic Dr Alan Carling, that Bradford risks becoming a front line in the global clash between the West and Islam. But Islam and Muslims do not clash with the concepts of pluralism, secularism and globalisation. The native flight from Bradford’s inner-city wards showed clear evidence of an increase in segregation in the city since 1991. Native parents are avoiding sending their children in state schools where Muslims and other minorities are in majority. The dominance of Pakistani Muslims in the city has meant that Bradford has become bi-cultural.

Immigrants are the creators of Britain new wealth, otherwise, inner cities deprived areas could not get new lease of life. The native Brits regard such areas as ghettoes. Integration is not religious and cultural, it is economic and Muslims are well integrated into British society and at the same time they are proud of their Islamic, linguistic and cultural identities, inspite of discrimination they have been facing in all walks of life. According to UN, 80% of British Muslims feel discriminated. They are less burden on social services. Immigrants made up 8.7% of the population, but accounted for10.2% of all collected income tax

It is often quoted by the Western media that Muslim schools ghettoizse the children, and even lead to their radicalisation if they are not integrated. There is no evidence that faith schools lead to a “ghettoized education system. In British schools, pupils are encouraged to focus too much on their similarities rather than their differences. The integrationist approach merely results in Muslims feeling that their faith, language and culture is not respected.
Iftikhar Ahmad

1. Most of them say that they have experienced race discrimination and religious prejudice. - Oh really! Well try walking through Leceister/Bradford/Peterborough/Sheffield/Birmingham/Etc in the wrong part of town. THATS racism that it simply couldnt be done. You average white/christian would last about 45seconds.

2. The number of racist incidents occurring in London Borough of Redbridge’s schools have reached their highest levels since record begin. - Of course there are more of these incidents occuring. These schools are prodominently made up of foreigners so they wiil be racist incidents. The way you have constructed it sounds like its Christian kids ganging up on the Muslims. I think you will find its quite the opposite.

3. A City or a locality, where Muslims are in majority is a ghetto. - Well im sorry but there shouldnt be ANY PART OF BRITAIN where Muslims are the prodominent culture. This isnt the middle east and as such, if Muslims are the prodominent faith, then there are too many here.

4. The people from the Pakistani community in Bradford and Oldham and Leicester had trebled during the decade. - Well in that case, we need to curb ALL immigation, especially from a Muslim culture straight away.

5. Native parents are avoiding sending their children in state schools where Muslims and other minorities are in majority. - I certainly wouldnt send my children to a school where there was a dominant Muslim presence.

6. The dominance of Pakistani Muslims in the city has meant that Bradford has become bi-cultural. - Rubbish!. .....There is no such thing as 'Multi/Bi Cultural. Its just a word the governmebts have made up to get us to accept the flood of foreigners into Britain.

7. Immigrants are the creators of Britain new wealth - What a load of horse manure! Even if it was true, it certainly wouldnt be due to the contribution of Pakistani/Muslim immigrants.

8. Immigrants made up 8.7% of the population, but accounted for10.2% of all collected income tax - Immigrants maybe. Pakistani Muslims.............nah.

9. The integrationist approach merely results in Muslims feeling that their faith, language and culture is not respected. - Your point being? If you wnat respect, try earning it rather than demanding it. Certain sections of Muslim Britain are trying to change the Western way of life and i am SICK TO DEATH of it.

All Muslims do is whine and moan about how no-one listens to them, no-ones cares about them, how badly they are treated.
Well.....if it that bad, then go to another country that would appreciate you, and be prepared to let you tell them whow their country should be run...... Some will support you. Some won't. Eventually something will give.

I seriously hope i dont get banned for this but the Opening Post was SO one sided its untrue.. If i do, then its a case in point that people can say what they like as long as they arent white, british, christian.

[RoBe]

9. The integrationist approach merely results in Muslims feeling that their faith, language and culture is not respected. - Your point being? If you wnat respect, try earning it rather than demanding it. Certain sections of Muslim Britain are trying to change the Western way of life and i am SICK TO DEATH of it.

All Muslims do is whine and moan about how no-one listens to them, no-ones cares about them, how badly they are treated.
Well.....if it that bad, then go to another country that would appreciate you, because even though there are people here that are more than happy to support you, there are millions here that arent.

oops, hit thanks button

case in point: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...emans-hat.html

http://ddollas.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/rebel-the-dog/

that is completely insane. The whole culture thing should work both ways, instead of foreigners wanting us to adapt for their every need, they should at least try to accept some of the western culture too. Though i'm sure it's only a small minority that make all these silly claims

anyhow, i can see this thread getting closed/deleted pretty soon, i's getting a little too close to the line imo

[IBM]

Firstly, considering the number of first time posters just coming in to spam, or troll, I thought that someone trying to make a point, or perhaps convey an alternative viewpoint made a refreshing change.

Then I read this....

3. A City or a locality, where Muslims are in majority is a ghetto. - Well im sorry but there shouldnt be ANY PART OF BRITAIN where Muslims are the prodominent culture. This isnt the middle east and as such, if Muslims are the prodominent faith, then there are too many here.

So Blitzen, when did your full time BNP membership come through then?

[0iD]

Britain's always been a multicultural melting pot, no point in all this xenophobia. We've been ruled over by Saxon. Norman, Romans, our so called royal family has prettymuch been either French or German for centuries. All this fear is doing no one any good.

[Blitzen]

So Blitzen, when did your full time BNP membership come through then?

Have a word with yourself will you.
So you are perfectly happy that there are parts of the UK that are 'no-go' areas unless you belong to a certain religion?

I'm not, and im also not happy at all about the fact that if you are a Christian person with a viewpoint you get some idiot branding you a racist, whereas if im a Muslim/Hindu/Jew, i can air whatever view i like and be treated with kid gloves.

Think about your comment for a second and you may 'just' be able to comprehend that just because i don't want the UK turning more and more away from a Christian state, doesn't automatically make me a BNP member.

[IBM]

Have a word with yourself will you.

Just because i dont accept the view that 'ghettos' full of foreigners, whether they are muslim, hindus, jews etc, are accpetable, i am automatically branded a racist.

Comments like the one you attempted are precisely the reason why this country will BEND OVER BACKWARDS to help anyone and everyone besides the actual people that are British.

Surely you can see how stupid that comment was.

Pull your head out of your arse, the world's a different place. We're all human, and we all live in it. Just because you don't like it, you get to throw your dummy out of the pram and have a hissy fit? This is society in the 21st century, and we have to learn to deal with it and make the best of any situation, rather than sulking and ranting about foreigners, and the detrimental effect it's having on society. Think that blaming 'liberals' is going to make the situation any better? Yeah, sure, another group of soceity to blame, that's going to make it all better.

Grow up, and try to be a constructive element of society, rather than just another goon with a grudge.

And as a part time liberal/part time fascist, I should add that I respect your right to an opinion, and would gladly have you shot for it

[schmunk]

This is a great place to start if you want to learn about ghettos

The following two links give important social messages from prominent members of the black and white communities.

[schmunk]

Have a word with yourself will you.
So you are perfectly happy that there are parts of the UK that are 'no-go' areas unless you belong to a certain religion?

Absolute rubbish.

[TheAnimus]

Pull your head out of your arse, the world's a different place. We're all human, and we all live in it. Just because you don't like it, you get to throw your dummy out of the pram and have a hissy fit? This is society in the 21st century, and we have to learn to deal with it and make the best of any situation, rather than sulking and ranting about foreigners, and the detrimental effect it's having on society. Think that blaming 'liberals' is going to make the situation any better? Yeah, sure, another group of soceity to blame, that's going to make it all better.

Grow up, and try to be a constructive element of society, rather than just another goon with a grudge.

And as a part time liberal/part time fascist, I should add that I respect your right to an opinion, and would gladly have you shot for it

Woo!

I've yet to see a 'no go area' that is based on religion rather than criminal gangs. What a load of racist tosh!

Yes ocasionally it does feal a bit odd espesually in a city like london when going to this dodgy looking japanese restraunt with an asian friend i was one of only 2 white people there to about 80 asian people. Given i'm 6"4, and my friend like 5foot nothing, we stuck out even more like a saw thumb. Not to mention she had to translate the menu for me, and pratically teach me how to eat some of the food (i'm still not entirely sure what was inside the poached egg.....).

Personally i think it adds to the fabric off life. And that restraunt that was clearly catering to a non-western pallete (and frankly been a bit silly not having an english menu, i'm sure 90% of it at least could be translated, missing out on revenue i say!). Now the worst treatment i got was been stared at a little like some novelty. Kinda the same way i look at the menu.

The reason the only analogy i can draw is the asian place, is because i've yet to find a restraunt with a menu only in arabic. There's this arianian place near me thou where i wouldn't go if i was a pro-israil jew. But something as contentious as that is understably going to be a barrer.

[Lee H]

Join Date: Aug 2006

If there is ever evidence of the RFC 1149 protocol being used to send a message to the forum, I think this might be one

[Blitzen]

Pull your head out of your arse, the world's a different place. We're all human, and we all live in it. Just because you don't like it, you get to throw your dummy out of the pram and have a hissy fit? This is society in the 21st century, and we have to learn to deal with it and make the best of any situation, rather than sulking and ranting about foreigners, and the detrimental effect it's having on society. Think that blaming 'liberals' is going to make the situation any better? Yeah, sure, another group of soceity to blame, that's going to make it all better.

Grow up, and try to be a constructive element of society, rather than just another goon with a grudge.

And as a part time liberal/part time fascist, I should add that I respect your right to an opinion, and would gladly have you shot for it

You are obviously right then.

Goon with a grudge? I think its you thats out of touch with reality.

I've yet to see a 'no go area' that is based on religion rather than criminal gangs. What a load of racist tosh!

Simply not true.

Its a shame that you and you little mate cant even make an opinion with using the 'racist' card.