lol well I didn't see the show but I'm pretty sure when these religions were founded.. missiles and tanks.. wern't available. So people following that book.. would be considered radicals or.. terrorists. Is THAT book, allowed in this country?Originally Posted by j1979
There is always a very thin and blurry line I think that most people feel they are treading on when talking about race and religion.
People can't seem to be capable of talking about one and not the other simply because some races make up the majority of a religion.
You'll find that most Muslims are from the Middle East on the other hand, you'll tend to find that most Christians / Catholics are white and live in the west.
Most people that appear xenophobic of foreigners, for the most part is a lack of understanding or knowledge of the people that are coming to stay in their country, its natural to fear what you aren't certain of or what you don't understand.
Unfortunatley the media has a lot to do with this misunderstanding as when you finish school, it stands as the only source of information and news of the world for many people; a window to the world and cultures.
We all know how much media can sway people's emotions and opinions, you only have to think back to the reaction some Muslims gave to the printing of a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad, it was probably about one hundred or a thousand Muslims that reacted to it insuch a bitter and aggressive manner whilst the overwhelming majority of Muslims either didn't mind it so much or at all but they didn't mention this in the paper.
Whether it is intentional or not, the media can help sew the seeds of discontent in the masses, they get the ball rolling on many issues and get people's attention onto other less important political issues etc.
My point is that although comments like Blitzen's on the outset seem extreme, to me its just the frustrated words of a person that is uncomfortable with what he sees his country turning into, he feels the Government is ignoring him.
In London, there are many areas you can go to that aren't necessarily "no-go areas" but you are more likely to be treated in a different way to another person depending on what race you are, for example.
People like me can often caught in ainteresting mix of potential abuse, as I'm well-spoken so well spoken that I'm often rediculed by other black people for sounding like a white person.
In Brixton, South-East London, being a young black man, I could be stopped and searched by the Police, mistaken for someone else and shot dead or beaten up by a gang whereas a white person the same age as me is likely to get mugged and/or beaten up, however, the probability of any of this happening to anyone is no where near as likely as the media outlets make it out to be, so we find its about being smart, educate yourself and rise about stereotypes
Blitzen (17-07-2008)
Yes, your quite right, they were obvious editions that were added post 1970. but this is the most widly distributed version of the Quaran in world as it is distributed below cost..
Yeah, but this is in Saudi, and while the Saudi's (or more specifically those following a branch of Islam called Wahadism) are considered to be fundamentalists, they control the oil, so you won't find either the American government or many European countries criticising them, even though for the most part they epitomise everything about Islam which scares the western world (oppression of women, violent interpretation of sharia law, aggressive promotion of Islam etc.).
Oh the irony.
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I don't quite think what the OP said is 100% accurate.
From my own perspective, going to universty in Kingston-Upon-Thames, socially and religiously there were groupings of people. some overlapped, others didn't. This created pockets of social activities such as the Christians who in turn had smaller pockets who who pro Alpha (I think that was what it was called) and anti Alpha.
I personally found the Christian people open and friendly and most didn't force the bible down your throat. The same could be said of the other religious groups (Hindus, Bhuddists, Muslims etc.).
It's not the religion itself that drives people to form social sects but the people themselves. It is where they feel most comfortable or it may just be that is the area they can afford OR have been assigned houses/flats to.
One thing I have to say though, I have to thank the Black people of Southwark/Peckham for not disturbing my Granddad's burial ceremony. We all had to wear white headbands/hat thingies and we looked like a cross between the Triads and the KKK. Any number of times, a bystander could have used that as an excuse to lash out but they let us practice my Granddad's Bhuddist burial ceremony.
I apologise for going about in circles here.
The point I wanted to illustrate is that irrespective of religion, the people of the society choose their own social circles to reside and that in the majority of cases there plenty of cases of religious tolerance.
If people want to illustrate Islamic extemists/terrorists, lets not forget about the IRA bombings.
I editted slightly.. can you get that book in this country?
according to Channel 4 it is the most freely available in the world. (and i think it said the UK too)
i suggest watching the program if its on C4s catch-up tv.
it was called "the Qua'an".
it goes someway to me understanding why i never saw a veiled woman when i was a kid.. even in majority muslim areas.
It's the same in places like Indonesia....twenty years ago you could barely find a veiled woman for looking. Now the majority of muslim women wear them (although Indonesia doesn't come close the the pressure exhibited in places like Malaysia and Egypt).
However, I've never met an Indonesian woman who wears the veil who does so for anything other than personal reasons, and I've met quite a few whose parents told them to wear it, but who made the decision to go without later in life. I'm not sure if the same applies in the middle east - I get the feeling it's the opposite.
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Pil - Newport.
Cromwell Road area - Peterborough
Big areas of Slough.
There are more that i havent been to but there is 3 that i have been to.
Schmunk....I live in Cambridgeshire as i dont want to live in a city. Its quiet and just what my family need want as they grow up.
As for the Norflok crack. I have only been through it once. That was once too many.
http://www.channel4.com/video/the-quran/catchup.html
heres the program on-demand.
its quite good.
Thx, I'm watching it right now, so far it looks interesting.
I think these no go areas very much depend on what you are like yourself.
I'm a 50 year old white male and I visit the Cromwell Rd area fairly regularly and have never had any problems at all.
Having said that, a friend of my son's (long haired 16 year old) was recently attacked with no provocation at all by an asian youth armed with a syringe full of blood in that area.
"Free speech includes not only the inoffensive but the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and the provocative provided it does not tend to provoke violence. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having."
There is only 1 version of the Qur'an.
Surely tanks, missiles etc weren't around in the old ages?
Also, that programme is does not show a good perspective of Islam. Come on, its on channel 4! The same channel that aired the programme "dispatches" and admitted to editing it to make it look like Muslims were declaring war with the world. The programme also shows many wierd sects of Islam, which of some go against the actual teachings.
Like theres only 1 version of the bible?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible
Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths,
Enwrought with golden and silver light,
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night and light and the half-light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams.
now THAT would make a tremor bigger than this thread!
yes that was the point of the programme, that the message of islam is being twisted by the Saudi view. and it is...
like i said about the veil wearing. the programme does prove its point very well, and backs it up with proof..
and have you watched the programme? if you did why did you ask:
"Surely tanks, missiles etc weren't around in the old ages?"
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