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Originally Posted by floppybootstomp
did you not read the post you quoted? i said im currently able to save money and saving for my first home. im not in anyway unhappy with what i earn. i am unhappy with people who seem to think that some people are worth £1m per year. they are not!
Stirred up a can of worms here, eh?...
Basically the world is full of dying people , who dont want to die...
These people are split between rich people who may/may-not realise that they are rich and poor people..
Nobody on the whole planet asked to be born in their own situation (bar maybe a ferw) and what you get is a lot of very confused people wondering who they are, and why they are asked to think so much about something they know so little about.
Do what you can people ...you owe it to yourselves and to me and anyone else you care about...Be the best that you can be ... I , for one, will respect you.
Or kill you on sight
'Better'? It's so unnecessarily vague (better at what?) I don't think that's how that's relevant and didn't cross my mind.
Harder to become? Undoubtedly. You are downplaying what it takes using terms like 'anything more than' and 'slightly above', but even that rules out more than half the population without even quantifying the amount of dedication it takes.
How much education and/or training is required to become a bin man? No disrespect to any bin men out there, but I can't imagine any physically able individual with enough mental capacity to live/communicate on his/her own wouldn't be able do that job (training could even be done on the job).
This has likely been pointed out already, but you are conveniently ignoring the effect of substitutes on value. The most important things in the world has limited financial value if it can be found everywhere or a substitute can be found everywhere. This effect can be real of subjective.
If most people believe that the internet is a perfect/near perfect substitute for a GP, demand for GPs will decrease, and their wage and/or numbers would decrease. But while you may think that the Internet is an adequate substitute, it's clear that enough people do not share your views (for GP to be paid what they are paid).
Even IF the job of a bin man can be proven to be more valuable than that of a GP, their pay check will still suffer in comparison unless it is also found that a bin man actually requires years of education (with great results) and post-degree training to have a chance at being competent in that job.
I don't know why you care. It's not like you are going to be better off if those those high earners decide to move out of the country. In your opinion, someone who starts with nothing, but successfully manage to build a private multi-million business (bearing all risks) do not 'deserve' 1M per year? Way to encourage innovation and entrepreneurship.
Last edited by TooNice; 25-09-2008 at 04:35 AM.
If there weren't any binmen, we'd need more GP's...
well that was my point!!! thats why i wrote "the thought that they are SOMEHOW better".
dont just take one word from a sentence. read the whole thing in order to understand what i was saying.
ive not ignored the fact, yes job of binmen can be replaced by the army, as it has already been pointed out. But i was, as i have already pointed out, talking about the removal of the job from society. My point was just because its a menial job, it does not make its role any less important.
as ive already pointed out several times now. i recognise that GPs deserve to be better paid than bin men. please read my posts again!
No i dont think any person on the planet should be 100 x more wealthy than another! i will never be budged on that.
ohh the ironyIf there weren't any binmen, we'd need more GP's...
if there werern't any GPs we'd need more Binmen to clear the bodies.
The binmen wouldn't touch the bodies. It wouldn't be in their contracts...ohh the irony
if there werern't any GPs we'd need more Binmen to clear the bodies.
Not around too often!
they would if they felt more loved and appreciated!!
Thats a bit niaeve! Perhaps if they got paid a hell of a lot more they would. You have such a funny view of the world!
they would if they felt more loved and appreciated!!
Not around too often!
sorry i thought you were joking about the contract. turns out you weren't
note to self .... no humour in this thread!
It doesn't require the removal of a job, merely the time to train/contract new bin men. If there was a shortage of bin men, it probably wouldn't take long to find someone who can do the job full time (I am not referring to the army here, I am talking full time replacements). If it does, then it is indeed the time to raise their pay. If there was a shortage of GP, it would take many years to get replacements, short of attracting foreign doctors into the country (by providing higher pay and/or benefits).
I am glad we do not live under your ideals. I rather live in a system where at least some people have the opportunity to move up the chains than a system where everyone leads a lazy yet mediocre existence with no way, hence incentive, to work their way out.
i understand the mechanism, and the reasoning.
the world would be pritty boring if we all agreed.
no it wouldnt
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j1979 (29-09-2008)
I was joking, slightly. Having worked in the public sector I know that that kind of attitude is exactly what you would come up against.
Not around too often!
well in the 1st vote for bailout in the US has gone against the President, wall st is in turmoil.
over here B&B was the next to fall (i predicted barclays), and even the Shadow chancellor agrees with me, that the super rich are paid too much. The torys shift to the left says a lot about the current state of the UK!
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