Why do people vote BNP?

[j1979]

You have definately just lost in that debate. As pointed out, the loss in sales from the few that don't like it because it scares them or whatever will be outnumbered by the new custom they get. It's your loss at the end of the day if you find it so ridiculous that you won't buy it any more.

Good effort, but the points made by others definately make a solid case for Halal.



I'm white british and couldn't care less if chicken was blessed or not. Chill out dude

it's a secular country! i don't go to Saudi Arabia and drink a beer on the beach do i. I am happy to respect the views and traditions when i go to another country. If we have mainstream halal now with a 5% - 10% Muslim population. what with a 45% Muslim population, Sharia Law?

[TAKTAK]

The concept of Halal (and kosher, and the Jewish rules espoused in the old testament) are generally to do with hygiene. It makes sense (in a hot country) to eat meat that has been freshly killed and the blood dsrained out as quickly as possibly - which Halal and kosher butchery achieves. Whether or not it is less humane is open to question, but when the tradition started, I would guess that there were no safe or guranteed methods of stunning an animal, so cutting the jugular vein and carotid artery (so cutting off the blood supply to the brain, would seem as effective as any. Why stunning first is not acceptable I don't know - and with modern refrigeration and public health measures, the requirements may seem outdated anyway, but if that is what a section of society wish to do, and it doesn't adversly affect you, why do you have a problem with it?

However, this is really a long way from the original topic!

It's not the slaughter of the meat that is the problem, it is that when all said and done, many places have stopped serving pork and stuck up halal signs. Use halal meat and keep pork and i couldn't care less TBH...

There's no taste difference, i just can't see why things need to be halal in order to be consumed, but having said that now, it's not the halal part that i have a problem with, it's the part that goes along with it...

[shadowmaster]

It's not the slaughter of the meat that is the problem, it is that when all said and done, many places have stopped serving pork and stuck up halal signs. Use halal meat and keep pork and i couldn't care less TBH...

There's no taste difference, i just can't see why things need to be halal in order to be consumed, but having said that now, it's not the halal part that i have a problem with, it's the part that goes along with it...

Thats more of an individual business decision, look at some Subway branches. They replaced pig ham with turkey ham because they went halal. It may have resulted in a very small loss in customers who want pig ham, but they gained much more in new customers. I can appreciate why it might be annoying for some, but if it was your business and you saw an opportunity to increase your profits, wouldn't you?

Anyhow I am curious to how this thread has diverted from BNP bashing to the methods of animal slaughter

[TAKTAK]

Contradictory statements. If we from Blighty live abroad we should also try our best to fit into the culture of that country and respect its laws just like anyone coming to this country should do too! Also many Brits live abroad for work reasons. Hence they are no different from people from abroad working in this country legally.

Also any immigrants will bring some of their customs with them. Any example is what food they eat - ever consider why curry,Italian and Chinese food is so common nowadays?

The same goes in any country - look at the US and Australia. OTH, we have to separate what customs we don't mind keeping against those which are simply not right(I know the definition of what is right is not straightforward though).

This has meant that immigration has changed the nation's palate too - I wonder if the BNP got into power whether much food would be banned for not being English enough??

Through Empire we had been changing countries until the whole thing went belly up a few decades ago.

By 'British culture' i was more referring to having pubs with your typical brands and food stuffs that you're accustomed too..

I don't know of many cases where British people have tried to impose their own religion and laws on another country in the same way, i'm not saying that it doesn't happen. Just that people leave the country for vastly different reasons than why they enter.

I have no problem with people coming in bringing their own food stuffs with them, it gives me more things to try, i quite like the local Chinese supermarket, sure it's small but it sells proper Chinese food rather than westernised rubbish. Add to that the fact that they have some tasty beverages and i'm all for it. But when a minority try to enforce a state of Sharia law (or whatever it is called) and alot of people turn around in favour of it... That's just going too far, the country already has laws, they shouldn't be changed to accommodate religious beliefs and/or be supplemented with religious courts, that's just silly.

People can do what they want behind closed doors, that has nothing to do with me and i couldn't care less.

It's when their lifestyle choices affect me, i.e. increasing religious education in schools, sure a rough understanding is handy, but TBQH i've got better things to be doing with my time than learning that, personally i'm not going to respect the person any more/less by learning it... But that's just me, it may benefit others by the fact that a large majority of the UK youth seem to be downright incompetent in everything that they do...

The worst ones for it are the Jehovahs witnesses... I don't want your views forced upon me, let alone in my own home... So if you come a knocking don't be offended if i politely hold my tongue and ask you to leave, and no, i don't want any newsletter!

I'll form my own views of the world not follow those of others, thankyou very much.

As to voting BNP, no thanks, that really does just show incompetence.

[GaryRW]

it's a secular country! i don't go to Saudi Arabia and drink a beer on the beach do i. I am happy to respect the views and traditions when i go to another country. If we have mainstream halal now with a 5% - 10% Muslim population. what with a 45% Muslim population, Sharia Law?

You have said several times that we're a secular country. We're not. We have a state religion, which our head of state is the head of.

We may have a secular tradition or culture, and (more recent centuries at least...) a good tradition of religious tolerance, but we are not officially a secular state. Of course, you may well be talking about our culture and tradition rather than the more legal/pedantic way I am taking your comments.

[TAKTAK]

Thats more of an individual business decision, look at some Subway branches. They replaced pig ham with turkey ham because they went halal. It may have resulted in a very small loss in customers who want pig ham, but they gained much more in new customers. I can appreciate why it might be annoying for some, but if it was your business and you saw an opportunity to increase your profits, wouldn't you?

Anyhow I am curious to how this thread has diverted from BNP bashing to the methods of animal slaughter

the thanks button is awfully close to the quote button

Yes, yes, it is a VERY valid business decision and you'd be rather gone in the head/or stubborn to not do it. My problems is how we got to this point, turkey ham =/= ham ham!

I don't want my Saturday night affected by religion (because lets be honest, that is the only time that quite alot of the fast food is even slightly appetising ), bacon is tasty after a night out...
I don't want to lose the pig because it is more profitable to cater for religious beliefs, i'd quite like to make my choice for a selection of meats... Religion shouldn't be able to dictate that...


And everything is related to politics, therefore everything is related to the BNP...

[usxhe190]

the thanks button is awfully close to the quote button

Yes, yes, it is a VERY valid business decision and you'd be rather gone in the head/or stubborn to not do it. My problems is how we got to this point, turkey ham =/= ham ham!

I don't want my Saturday night affected by religion (because lets be honest, that is the only time that quite alot of the fast food is even slightly appetising ), bacon is tasty after a night out...
I don't want to lose the pig because it is more profitable to cater for religious beliefs, i'd quite like to make my choice for a selection of meats... Religion shouldn't be able to dictate that...


And everything is related to politics, therefore everything is related to the BNP...

TAKTAK, what you need after a night out is Diet Coke with Bacon!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

TAKTAK, what you need after a night out is Diet Coke with Bacon!

Be careful it could be.....Turkey Bacon!

[TAKTAK]

TAKTAK, what you need after a night out is Diet Coke with Bacon!

, i've just googled that, does it actually exist?

[TAKTAK]

Be careful it could be.....Turkey Bacon!

Bernard Matthews turkey bacon used to be amazing, almost on par with real bacon... Brilliant stuff

Still need real stuff every now and again.

I mean where would a LAN be without a double cheesy bacon burger?!?

[usxhe190]

, i've just googled that, does it actually exist?

It's fake

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Bacon sandwich + strong coffee = excellent way to start a day!

Downside:I am too incompetent to fry Bacon when I am half asleep! Probably burn the house down!

[j1979]

You have said several times that we're a secular country. We're not. We have a state religion, which our head of state is the head of.

We may have a secular tradition or culture, and (more recent centuries at least...) a good tradition of religious tolerance, but we are not officially a secular state. Of course, you may well be talking about our culture and tradition rather than the more legal/pedantic way I am taking your comments.

having a state religion, does not make a country non-secular.



correct me if im wrong but only 2 of those are law here! and those rules are common sense and decency

[TooNice]

but yes it does effect my enjoyment of the food, it has been blessed by a mentally ill person.

Ignoring the baiting tone there, I am assuming that you are not the least superstitious based on your other posts. In which case, why do you care if the meat is blessed/cursed? Let's suppose that you just bought an ice cream on the street, and a mentally ill person walk past and says 'May the force within this ice cream fulfil it's destiny by filling this man with energy and power so that he may also fulfil his destinies', is that really going to affect your enjoyment of the ice cream?

Non Halal meat the animal is usually stunned electrically and then the throat is cut... So that the animal has no recollection of what is going on...

A standard for meat production in Australia is that all animals must be effectively stunned prior to slaughter. A form of halal slaughter complies with the standard and is commonly used in export abattoirs.

So clearly, there are forms of halal that is exactly as you described in terms of order they do things, at least where the law requires it. I definitely believe that where there is a conflict (between state law and Sharia law), the law of the states is the only one that matters.

Regarding pigs, well, if there is enough demand for it, then businesses would be foolish not to supply them (even if a chain stop selling it, another will, subject to demand).

[SammEl]

Why?
The comments i admit are digusting, but this 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH' (that we are rapidly losing), is one of the main reason people from not so 'FREE' countries come here.

When people can't say what they feel.....or in fact draw cartoons (did you not think the muslim upraor to that was totally disproportionate and pathetic) without feeling they will be victimised or even murdered, free speech is lost and everyone may aswell move on out!

Free Speech huh? Ironic really considering our previous disagreement.

There is free speech, then there is pure disgusting ignorance and racism.

The high majority of BNP voters are low earners, low earners are more likely to commit crime, it's a fact, and the majority of racist people I have had the priviledge to meet have either been unemployed or working in some grubby McDonalds. The BNP's views are about pride of a country, tax payments going to the people who deserve it, yet, the BNP voters give hardly anything back to the country, and in most respects, take more than they give.

Go on YouTube and see who the BNP supports are, people stuck in the past, people who would of fit in nicely 200 years ago with their black slaves tied to a tree.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of immigrants come here and live off the state, but so do a lot of British people. A lot of immigrants come to this country and do any job they can find to support themselves, jobs British people will not do because they are so disgusting and low, and a lot of immigrants come here, open a business and make millions, give a lot of money to the Government in tax every year too, and in a lot of cases, give a lot more tax than pure profit after payments.

My family own a business, we don't make a lot of money considering our yearly business income, actually less than a lot of families going to work everyday. Every single employee of ours is not British, why? We can trust them more, they never ever let us down, and never do anything wrong. We can't say the same thing for when we employed British people, infact, we had to get rid of them every single time.

[j1979]

Ignoring the baiting tone there, I am assuming that you are not the least superstitious based on your other posts. In which case, why do you care if the meat is blessed/cursed? Let's suppose that you just bought an ice cream on the street, and a mentally ill person walk past and says 'May the force within this ice cream fulfil it's destiny by filling this man with energy and power so that he may also fulfil his destinies', is that really going to affect your enjoyment of the ice cream?

hands up!! you got me you're correct i am not the least bit bothered about the meat i eat. as long as the animal led a half decent life, and did not suffer when killed. What i am terrified of is that it is mainstream halal meat today and sharia in 40 years. and i don't want to live under sharia because it is, homophobic, sexist, right wing with the death penalty for adultery.. now ironically this sounds a lot like the BNP (minus adultery death penalty). I don't want to have to pay a Jizya (non-muslim protection tax).

And Sharia is already here in many Muslim communities, where the people don't contact the police but their imam or Muslim council. these councils are mainly for marital matters at the moment, but no doubt domestic violence issues are also dealt with.

I genuinely believe that Islam will be the single largest group, religious or political in the country (england) before the middle of the century. And i am more scared of this than of the BNP. I am terrified of right wing Islam. Also i know things are different in other parts of the country, some areas there is more integration. The south is a world apart from the north. But as a whole, i don't think the status quo is sustainable, and we are heading for trouble here in the UK.

so from my point of view mainstream halal is the thin end of the wedge, and i want a mainstream party to deal with this!! but they won't for fear of losing votes. But voters who make immigration their main voting issue, will likely just turn a blind eye to the BNP's true colours. i expect the BNP to gain some seats + a fair few local councils. But in my view people will see it as "you need to do a little bad to do a lot of good" (i am sure thats from a film)