Political Compass - where do you sit?

[Blitzen]

Missing the point, if your choosing to earn only 30k, why should you get to pay less for things like the recent example for me again of dentist? Its un-fair and against my principles to charge one person more for health care than another.

TheAnimus.
With comments like this one you are rapidly disappearing up your own butt!

Do you think people really WANT to only earn £30K?

Of course not. Some people dont get the lucky breaks, arent clever enough or simply do not come from a well off family that can afford to see them through University. You obviously fall into one of these categories.

As for your 'Education should be free' statement! That sums you up perfectly.
I cant imagine having to pay for someone like you to go through higher education and then listen to the rubbish you have been spouting on about.
Talk about double standards.

I bet most people wish they were as hard done by as you.


You views, although 1 or 2 of them valid, are archaic to say the least.


I really hope that one day you are very very poor and realise that its almopst 100% mindless, selfish and ignorant drivel you have posted.

[schmunk]

I'd just sooner see those who contribute nothing removed from the system.

Education should be free, provided it is a valid education,

I'll agree with you here to a point, particularly caveated by malfunction's point above, that it's never *free* - somebody has to pay for it somehow.

it will pay dividends by letting the person earn more and pay more, it will be an investment, as such is there any need to charge fees that will price poor people out of good institutes.

Surely "it will pay dividends by letting the person learn new skills to enable them to contribute to their chosen field, and society as a whole"...

I'm complaining about the student loan co, calculating their contrinbution on net, rather than gross.

I'm not sure you quite have a handle on the difference between net and gross.

Gross is the big number before deductions. Net is the smaller number after deductions - in this case your 'in pocket' wage.

I would say the easyest way to cut down on money wasted in education, stop pointless 'degrees', and tax people fairly, let me pay it off over a fairer peroid of time, say 10 years, not be hell bent on clawing it back in 3.

I'm a tax advisor, so it's not quite my field, but I am aware of a little-known way of getting the SLC to take less tax from you each month and to spread your repayments out over a longer period.

This would actually allow them to earn more money, as they charge above base for 10 months of the year, i'm very upset with SLC because i feal your conned more than a little into taking the loan. If it was say a car, you wouldn't be allowed to sell them in the fassion the government does.

Sorry, you want to pay the SLC *MORE* money, and you're complaining that you're not being given the opportunity?

I've said only that i don't belive in hand outs for those who contribute nothing, most graduates end up contributing a lot, often in more than just financial returns (innovations that improve life etc.)
Ah yes, the old if you don't like it here.... Its intresting because all i was complaining about was the lack of financial liberty.

What have you contributed to society today?

[Blitzen]

I've said only that i don't belive in hand outs for those who contribute nothing, most graduates end up contributing a lot, often in more than just financial returns (innovations that improve life etc.)

If you think thats a factual statement then maybe you have been in your own world too long and not recently ventured out into the real one.

Do you SERIOUSLY think most graduates contribute more to society?

People that empty your bins, clean the street outside your house, serve you in the supermarket.....all these people contribute far more to society as they keep it going.

The days of flogging peasants are long gone matey and the sooner you realise that those people doing those jobs are more important than people like you (or me for that matter) are the ones that keep society ticking over!



When i read your opinions this springs to mind - ' All animals are equal........just some animals are more equal than others'!

[TheAnimus]

TheAnimus.
With comments like this one you are rapidly disappearing up your own butt!

Do you think people really WANT to only earn £30K?

Of course not. Some people dont get the lucky breaks, arent clever enough or simply do not come from a well off family that can afford to see them through University. You obviously fall into one of these categories.

You views, although 1 or 2 of them valid, are archaic to say the least.

I really hope that one day you are very very poor and realise that its almopst 100% mindless, selfish and ignorant drivel you ahve psoted.

I think everyone makes chooses that determine that be it implicit or know. I think it sounds a bit harsh if you take it out of context, but no one is stopping them getting another job. Granted you can say that i just fall back onto been 'gifted' but its really not that simple, at secondary school i seamed to be the only one in the class (in the school i ended up in cornwall, once my dad had been made redundant) that actually wanted to learn any of the stuff we were been taught. They've choosen their life already, you might say they didn't understand the choice but they made it.

Also its not as if i'm far removed from the prolites, i'm not going to start baning on about how i'm a great person, i'm deaply selfish, but i've probably done a lot more in the last 12 months for charities than most.

I'm simply complaining about the fact that the harder you work, the more you earn, the more you get taxed, the less you get offered too you. Hardly fair is it.

From the secondary school in cornwall i can think of only 1 person who has an excuse for not been able to do a hell of a lot better than they are (and no, its not me, i'm really rather lazy). Nothing has stopped them, only themselfs.

I'm not trying to say its like they can't be botehred to get up in the morning, but they certainly didn't try hard.

No one, has an excuse to not be multi-millionare, we could all do it if we could be motivated enough. I don't know anyone who's got rich by luck allone (except been born into it).

[TheAnimus]

I'll agree with you here to a point, particularly caveated by malfunction's point above, that it's never *free* - somebody has to pay for it somehow.

Surely "it will pay dividends by letting the person learn new skills to enable them to contribute to their chosen field, and society as a whole"...

Yes it has to be paid for, but why should i have to pay it off faster than someone who took 3 gap years after uni?

I'm not sure you quite have a handle on the difference between net and gross.

Gross is the big number before deductions. Net is the smaller number after deductions - in this case your 'in pocket' wage.

sorry dislexia attack.... me very retarted with monikers. Its the deduction of the gross i hate. The reason i brought this up was because its the total lack of financial liberty i have with this that anoys me.

I'm a tax advisor, so it's not quite my field, but I am aware of a little-known way of getting the SLC to take less tax from you each month and to spread your repayments out over a longer period.

Sorry, you want to pay the SLC *MORE* money, and you're complaining that you're not being given the opportunity?

I can either, A pay off SLC, B pay off mortgage, C savers plan (last year 32%)

See why i'd like the choice, not only would it generate more money for the government, it would help me out too. Win, Win.

What have you contributed to society today?

Sod all! Most of my work hasn't worked (because the spec i'd been given was wrong, and muggins didn't think to do a quick sanity check on it). So only my tax today. Now if this was a month ago, i'd be able to say that tonight i was going to be doing my group activity for people who want to learn development (i started this in uni where i ended up taking yr7&8 students doing Lego Mindstorms stuff..... but this is off topic) Today is pretty much a Me day, thats how i like it, my choice.

[Fraz]

Missing the point, if your choosing to earn only 30k

I can't actually believe you actually wrote this.

I also find it mind-numbing that you clearly are in a very high-paid job and yet are moaning on here about how hard done you are. I think you are seriously out of touch with reality.

How old are you btw, TheAnimus? 30ish?

[malfunction]

I think everyone makes chooses that determine that be it implicit or know. I think it sounds a bit harsh if you take it out of context, but no one is stopping them getting another job. Granted you can say that i just fall back onto been 'gifted' but its really not that simple, at secondary school i seamed to be the only one in the class (in the school i ended up in cornwall, once my dad had been made redundant) that actually wanted to learn any of the stuff we were been taught. They've choosen their life already, you might say they didn't understand the choice but they made it.

Also its not as if i'm far removed from the prolites, i'm not going to start baning on about how i'm a great person, i'm deaply selfish, but i've probably done a lot more in the last 12 months for charities than most.

I'm simply complaining about the fact that the harder you work, the more you earn, the more you get taxed, the less you get offered too you. Hardly fair is it.

From the secondary school in cornwall i can think of only 1 person who has an excuse for not been able to do a hell of a lot better than they are (and no, its not me, i'm really rather lazy). Nothing has stopped them, only themselfs.

I'm not trying to say its like they can't be botehred to get up in the morning, but they certainly didn't try hard.

No one, has an excuse to not be multi-millionare, we could all do it if we could be motivated enough. I don't know anyone who's got rich by luck allone (except been born into it).

Everyone can't be multi-millionaires - that's just idiotic. "Hello, my name's Dave. I'm a multi-millionaire but just for kicks I clean the bogs in the local pub every day"... On a more serious note there isn't enough 'money' to go around anyway - the only way we could all be multi-millionaires is if the value of the pound went throught the floor. To be rich you have to make money from the sweat and toil of others regardless of how much *you* sweat and toil getting there.

[SiM]

I can't actually believe you actually wrote this.

I also find it mind-numbing that you clearly are in a very high-paid job and yet are moaning on here about how hard done you are. I think you are seriously out of touch with reality.

He is not in a very high paid job... looks like he is in tech/back office

[TheAnimus]

Everyone can't be multi-millionaires - that's just idiotic. "Hello, my name's Dave. I'm a multi-millionaire but just for kicks I clean the bogs in the local pub every day"... On a more serious note there isn't enough 'money' to go around anyway - the only way we could all be multi-millionaires is if the value of the pound went throught the floor. To be rich you have to make money from the sweat and toil of others regardless of how much *you* sweat and toil getting there.

And why does dave get that? Because he is willing to work harder than the others? Or did he just get lucky one day?

[TheAnimus]

He is not in a very high paid job... looks like he is in tech/back office

indeed, compared to how much money can be made of our stuff, vrs our pay its low (because whilst there is a shortage of good developers, they'er not that short). So for those not familiar with this world, we are the lowest of the low, the only people i don't get yelled at by are the IT staff.

I can't actually believe you actually wrote this.

I also find it mind-numbing that you clearly are in a very high-paid job and yet are moaning on here about how hard done you are. I think you are seriously out of touch with reality.

How old are you btw, TheAnimus? 30ish?

As i tried to explain that was meaning the decisions people implicitly make, I really don't think your born into a class system from which you can't change anymore in this country. The time i spent with normally the 20% most promising kids from normally rather questionable schools really drove that one home (as that trouble makers are often just completely bored, as often as they are just completely moronic ADD cases).

Once again Fraz, i'm not moaning how hard done i am, but at the fact i get no choice, no freedom, and in response to this, no liberty, i'm forced to pay off my SLC faster than (as mentioned above) would benefit both me, and the government. I was just trying to explain why i thought liberty was opposed to leftisim

[SiM]

indeed, compared to how much money can be made of our stuff, vrs our pay its low (because whilst there is a shortage of good developers, they'er not that short). So for those not familiar with this world, we are the lowest of the low, the only people i don't get yelled at by are the IT staff.

Wooo... I managed to get a slightly humble comment
You get yelled at because its your fault when something goes wrong

[TheAnimus]

Wooo... I managed to get a slightly humble comment
You get yelled at because its your fault when something goes wrong

And even when its not My old place i had a bunch of teri yaki chicken thrown at me because i couldn't figure out this guys pricing sheet. He asked me how long it would take i said, how would i know, i got chickened. Truned out he wanted 20% chance of it taking n hours, 40% chance of m mins.....

I've tried to keep out money amounts because i think it jades the argument (as people get overtly emotional).

All i've been trying to say is a socailist state, inheriently limits ones liberties.

The fact is the examples (all of which happened in the last week) might not of been the best (ie dentistry, SLC).

[mycarsavw]

I am Gandhi.

[godsdog]

Gandhi also, on the first one.

...then I started getting more defiant - knowing really, the whole neo-liberal economic BS is a rank whore, morally bankrupt, scam based on the worst humans have to offer, then I vomited on the thought of anglo - american capitalism, finally falling off the left wing chart altogether.

Back to normal again now: Gandhi ...hoping to get a promotion and pay rise to Buddha status

[Rave]

CBA to printscreen the chart and upload it.

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.92

No surprise about the libertarianism, but I'm surprised it reckoned I'm that much of an economic lefty. I'd consider myself broadly centrist TBH. I suppose unless you believe 100% in unconstrained free trade you must be something of a leftwinger.

[badass]

Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92
A fairly boring middle libertarian middle leftie.

One thing theAnimus raises got my attention. The rest of his points look incredibly selfish TBH.
Student loans are deducted from net income. I think they should be deducted from gross income - i.e. you should pay tax on what you earnt minus your student loan deductions.