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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBeeeenster
    Methinks you need to check who moderates this forum
    So, I know you're a mod... but does that mean you can say what you like? Does that mean you're untouchable to other peopls comments? No, I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Al
    I'd advise you not to put words into other people's mouths again. Sounded like a small threat to me...
    Yes, well lots of things look a certain way to you, don't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Al
    How can you say that what I see going on around me is a blanket assertion? It's local knowledge! And I believe that more than anything I'd read in the papers and such other crap.
    LOCAL knowledge (and even that would be debatable); yet you're basing an opinion on NATIONAL policy on what you perceive as happening in your back yard, and assuming that what you perceive as happening there is what's happening over the whole country, regardless of evidence to the contrary. That's a blanket assertion.

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    Local knowledge!!!!!!!!!! Where im from it is local knowledge that catholics don't wash, are lazy and sponge off the state. It is also local knowledge that protestants are cold and heartless and if they touch holy water they burn.


    it was alos local knowledge in wholes parts of Germany that jews were involved in a conspiracy to ruin the ayran race....

    local knowledge is generally local ignorance, and anyway im sure there are plenty of people around ur area who can see thru the governments scapegoating of refugees!
    "The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx

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    Quote Originally Posted by revol68
    Russ ur an ignorat lil boy who knows nothing about the issues just what u read in the papers and what u hear dickheads sayin in the pub.
    god your so right mate, so when i go back to work tomorrow, to my job at a NHS hospital, to my desk in data protection, and i answer the 100+ phone calls i get each day off different departments asking if certain immigrants get free treatment or not, i'll put them threw to your call centre, cos you really do know more about my job than me it seems, OR shal you use your loaf and thnk what the this country would be like if "every man and his dog" was let in..

    and secondly, i never go to pubs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by andybasford
    Exactly what are you basing this on Russ? would you care to go through the asylum and Immigration act and point out the parts you object to?
    you point out the 1's u agree with first chap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ
    answer the 100+ phone calls i get each day off different departments asking if certain immigrants get free treatment or not...
    Just checking - so what you're saying is that there are rules as to who gets NHS treatment (since you're being asked to apply them), and that only people who satisfy whatever those criteria are (I don't know, but at a guess I'd say they'd include legal immigrants, people granted asylum or exceptional leave to remain, those whose status is undecided i.e. asylum seekers who have yet to be assessed or who are going through appealing the decision of the tribunal that heard their application? Probably others, I don't know, but those categories immediately occur to me) actually qualify for that free treatment? So there's no blanket permission for any immigrant to claim NHS resources?

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    yes basicly

    if you havent got your documents that grant you assylum you pay for your treatment.

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    So what's the problem? If we've granted someone asylum or ELTR, it's because we've determined that they actually are at risk or there's a very real possibility that they're at risk. Given that, and given that similar criteria apply to other benefits as well, I just don't see where the spongeing stuff comes in (this is just general, I'm not saying that you specifically are accusing anyone of spongeing). If they're here under the asylum laws, I'd say we're obliged to treat them no worse than we would treat our own citizens; that's just civilised. If they're legal migrants and they're working, they'll be paying taxes anyway. I accept that, yes, there's probably a lot of cash-in-hand work that doesn't get declared, but then that's a time-honoured British tradition as well, isn't it? How many Brits turn up in your hospital that work for cash, never declare it and don't pay tax on it? Isn't that spongeing? Hands up everyone who's never used the phrase "How much for cash?". Anyone?

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    there was a chap who came into our local hospital, some drug baron from south america, he'd been in a gun fight shot 3 times, illegal immigrant, so when we charged him the 36k that he cost us, he refused to pay, then left the country..


    thats a pretty extreme case, but most treatments cost a couple of hundred minimum.

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    I'd agree that there are always going to be people who take advantage of a system, and I know you've acknowledged that to be an extreme example, but I'd have thought it was better to have a system that gives the benefit of the doubt.

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    well, if u were to get knocked down whilst on holiday abroad, they have every right to let u die in the road unless you have travel insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ
    you point out the 1's u agree with first chap
    I'm just curious as to where this line is:

    Quote Originally Posted by Russ
    every man and his dog can get into britain, we dont care.
    Was wondering when it became official government policy old bean.

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    once you start secondary school, you may learn figurative speach

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    Hate to re-quote beenster but answer the question. its not hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ
    well, if u were to get knocked down whilst on holiday abroad, they have every right to let u die in the road unless you have travel insurance.
    If this were the case (and it is not, for a large number of countries in the world, but that's not really important here) are you not proud to say that you live in a country that would help a foreigner who had been injured in the UK?
    "All our beliefs are being challenged now, and rightfully so, they're stupid." - Bill Hicks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBeeeenster
    If this were the case (and it is not, for a large number of countries in the world, but that's not really important here) are you not proud to say that you live in a country that would help a foreigner who had been injured in the UK?
    YES!!! Exactly. We SHOULD be proud to say that regardless of race, origin, faith, if you are hurt here you will be cared for. Parable of the Good Samaritan?

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