Muslim Youths

[handscombmp]

You really do like making a stir don't you IftikharA.
Muslim Ghettoisation

As already has been pointed out this is England, foreigners are effectively guests here, I have no problem with foreigners living in this country, no matter what race they are or what religion they follow. But if you are not happy with the way we do so things, then move to a country you feel does things right. Rather then complain about it.

Exactly. If you don't like it here move. Don't complain.
I think religion has no place in schools as the amounts there are no one would ever be happy

[staffsMike]

Again though, integration is something the country wishes to promote. Diversity is fine, we are a country of many different cultures. The fact of the matter is, we all live under the same roof and under that roof we should be subject to the same rules.

If parents wish their children to be taught in the fashion you describe, they can be taught outside of school hours. Segregating children at the beginning of their education simply removes most chances those children will ever have to become integrated into the society they will most likely live in for the rest of their lives.

You shouldn't be wasting your time and effort on promoting things like this and should instead devote your time to working out how to get people to integrate more effectively.

I am training to be a teacher amd I am in an interacial (different cultures, not just race) relationship so you are treading on two toes here lol

[richieuk]

The fact of the matter is, we all live under the same roof and under that roof we should be subject to the same rules.

Lawfully and socially, if we follow the same path, we will achieve a joint goal. However, because we are in Britian, it is the British society and British laws we should all obide by.

[staffsMike]

Lawfully and socially, if we follow the same path, we will achieve a joint goal. However, because we are in Britian, it is the British society and British laws we should all obide by.

That was my point if it wasn't clear

[Jay]

wow that was a very good copy and paste from another website (as are your other posts). This is not a discussion but just propaganda and I would class it as spam as well.

[Hicks12]

I have no issue with people from a different race/religion etc, i just find it insluting that the majority of foreign people(not just muslims) come over to here and complain saying they dont get benefits etc, and then the gov will give in. Why should a British person be given less rights than a foreign person? if you dont like the way its run here the go back.

I would add more to this post but i goto go work lol, atleast i earn my money and not rely on the gov to help me .

[richieuk]

That was my point if it wasn't clear

It was, I just loved your angle and decided to back it up.

Why should a British person be given less rights than a foreign person?

I'm going to go massivley off topic now, so before, I apologise.

I wouldn't so much mind people being given the absolute basics from the government, while they learn english, adapt to our cultures and get themselves work. At which point they should pay taxes and give something back. However, this is rarely the case. These people should be happy with a roof over thier head, living in a shared accomodation, a radio, food and english/social lessons on offer to them, no more. They don't NEED money, they need the provisions.

In my neck of the woods, we get a new shipment fresh of the boat every month or so, and these ignorant individuals come with little more than the clothes on thier back. Within weeks they are freshly clothed, with a house, driving a car, a television, dvd player, going out on the night and harrassing women with inappropriate advances because they still believe women are thier playthings. They take stolen mobile phones into phone shops to get the mainboard changed for £10, so they have the latest gadgets and all this on benefits while not bothering to integrate into our social circle. I've seen this all with my own eyes.

In contrast, I had a good job and paid taxes on between £12-£20k for 3-4 years, yet now I'm a student I can't afford a place of my own, my car is out of action because I cant afford fuel, I am having to cancel my phone contract as I cant afford it, I cannot claim benefits over the summer because the other three quarters of the year I recieve student loans, which themselves equate to less than half of what an immigrant would get.

There aren't enough refugees that come to this country for opportunities, too many come to abuse the system.

The sick thing is, if I jumped off a boat now, and said I was a refugee, trying to get myself a better life, they would bang me up for fraud within seconds.

[staffsMike]

It was, I just loved your angle and decided to back it up.

I see

I can see your point of view, staying off topic, but I have to say I have seen the other side of that argument. People have come to live here and work their arses off to earn money.

I've seen them getting on coaches at 5am to go and work in london. They get back at goodness knows what hour to do the same thing the next day. Some of these people are actually on their own in this country, living as best they can without spending the money they are making so they can eventually take it home to give their families a better life, or make enough to support them over here.

The number of lazy natives I see is pretty disgusting. I used to work in a local shop and the number of people coming in with stamps for milk etc.. and at the same time buying lottery tickets, alcohol and cigarette's was infuriating.

[j1979]

Muslim Youths

Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist because they have been mis-educated and de-educated by the British schooling. Muslim children are confused because they are being educated in a wrong place at a wrong time in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. They face lots of problems of growing up in two distinctive cultural traditions and value systems, which may come into conflict over issues such as the role of women in the society, and adherence to religious and cultural traditions. The conflicting demands made by home and schools on behaviour, loyalties and obligations can be a source of psychological conflict and tension in Muslim youngsters. There are also the issues of racial prejudice and discrimination to deal with, in education and employment. They have been victim of racism and bullying in all walks of life. According to DCSF, 56% of Pakistanis and 54% of Bangladeshi children has been victims of bullies. The first wave of Muslim migrants were happy to send their children to state schools, thinking their children would get a much better education. Than little by little, the overt and covert discrimination in the system turned them off. There are fifteen areas where Muslim parents find themselves offended by state schools.

The right to education in one’s own comfort zone is a fundamental and inalienable human right that should be available to all people irrespective of their ethnicity or religious background. Schools do not belong to state, they belong to parents. It is the parents’ choice to have faith schools for their children. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim teacher or a child in a Muslim school. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools. An ICM Poll of British Muslims showed that nearly half wanted their children to attend Muslim schools. There are only 143 Muslim schools. A state funded Muslim school in Birmingham has 220 pupils and more than 1000 applicants chasing just 60.

Majority of anti-Muslim stories are not about terrorism but about Muslim
culture--the hijab, Muslim schools, family life and religiosity. Muslims in the west ought to be recognised as a western community, not as an alien culture.
Iftikhar Ahmad

yep in Britain we have a tradition of ONLY TEACHING things that CAN BE PROVED. I E the bible and koran should only be read in schools if they are introduced as FICTION.

actually i take that back they should be classed as SCIENCE FICTION.

IftikharA i suggest you move to saudi arabia where they do teach SCIENCE FICTION IN SCHOOLS and pass it off as truth without 1 single shread of evidence.

IftikharA i also point out that as you are a religious person, you are very easliy lead and a weak minded fool.

[360bhp]

^ I think your an idiot for calling him a fool, because of YOUR opinion on HIS beliefs. Remember, no personal insults on the forum

[Jay]

^ I think your an idiot for calling him a fool, because of YOUR opinion on HIS beliefs. Remember, no personal insults on the forum

I really hope that post was a joke.

[Virtual Monkey]

Hopefully a bot spewing fundamentalist Catholic propaganda will appear on Hexus...

...that'll be a high noon to remember!

[staffsMike]

I really hope that post was a joke.

Personally I liked it because of it saying your an idiot, rather than you're an idiot

[Stewart]

^ I think your an idiot for calling him a fool, because of YOUR opinion on HIS beliefs. Remember, no personal insults on the forum

I think you're a prat for calling him an idiot for calling someone else a fool.

[Aez]

I think you're a prat for calling him an idiot for calling someone else a fool.

I think you're stupid for calling him a prat for calling someone an idiot for calling someone else a fool.

[Stewart]

I think you're a nob for thinking I'm stupid for calling him a prat for calling someone an idiot for calling someone else a fool.