Context please. Where I grew up, it would not be 'ok' point out a mentally disabled person and laugh even if said individual thinks he is a chicken. Given your stance on this matter though, I can see why you are be in favour of bullying people at school for their beliefs.Originally Posted by j1979
Cows and Donkeys are both mammals and so will share a single common ancestor. Obviously everything that is alive will share a SCA if you go back far enough, but Cows and Donkeys are both ungulates, hoofed mammals, and so will share a common ancestor from relatively recently (100mya - 65mya according to Wiki although for this thread I think 'the olden days' will more than suffice) which is why, as you pointed out, they 'have the same features'.It's like saying a cow came from a donkey. Both have same features.
Ghosts share a single common ancestor with Galvatron.Also, things such as ghosts don't go with science
He's got rockets!
omg no wai 4 reel?!! you got pikchas right m8? i know u got pikchas!!1 msn me dude this is gonna get on the tv 4 real no joke!11but I have seen them with my own eyes and I'm sure millions of other people have too.
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sorry what's the difference in a man believing that he is a chicken, and man believing in Angels and other supernatural beings, Christ rising from the dead, a new born baby talking, turning water into wine, feeding 5000 with a couple of fish (unless the fish were whale sharks) ????
people like the evangelicals that faint in church. cant you see these people are insane!!!
The Whale Shark is often overlooked as a possible mundane explanation for supposed supernatural events.
For a start, fashioning man in stages from fermented clay is the one I most remember. How does that fit in with chromosome #2."etc"...
What part about man, the universe, and animals is incorrect?..................................................... Exactly
I can almost gurantee you have NOT read a full translation of the Qu'ran as you say you have.
YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION. Again please explain how the fusion of two chromosomes (found in ALL other apes) is seen in man and how this does not explain we are related. Secondly show me where in the Koran such information exists.
Your ad hominem is noted as is the non-sequitur. Your logical fallacies are mounting up. You do understand that this type of arguing means you are not bringing anything to the discussion. Answer the questions and debate the evidence.
A little bit more background. My friend and I were preparing to go travelling in June 1997. We were packing our gear together about a week before we were due to leave and I noticed he had a bible with him. He's an atheist and I asked him what on earth he was doing with a bible. "Oh!", he exclaimed, "I've never read it and thought I might, because I'll probably have the time". Que a slightly baffled look from me and a shrug of the shoulders thinking whatever. This got us thinking and we decided to pick up a copy of the koran too because we were going to visit two Islamic countries. Read them both and it's obvious that parts share the same sources. Practical use we found for the books; Bible - used some of the blank back pages for cigarette papers in a Javanese hotel for the last of our North Sumatran Gold (marijuana). The pages were better than the naff, non-glued Indonesian cigarette papers. Koran - became a very handy doorstop in our house in Bondi. Got left there iirc.
That's about it. There is no evidence of heaven or hell or a soul. As far as I'm concerned when I die I'll be worm food, however, this doesn't mean that I act as if I don't have a conscience. You don't have to be religious or believe in god to have some morals or behave decently.
I think that educating those people who are religious in critical thinking and analysis at school would be a good idea. It gets them out of the mindset of believing what they have been brought up with and gives them the ability to think independently. Whilst Dawkins is not my cup of tea he shows here what people are up against.
Prof Dawkins had recently finished a TV programme in which he went into a classroom of 15-year-olds at a secondary school in London.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...o-schools.html"I was shocked by how some put up barriers to understanding," he said "I showed them the evidence, and they just said, 'This is what it says in my holy book.' And so I asked, 'If your holy book says one thing, but the evidence says something else, you then go with your holy book?' And they said, 'Yes.' And I said, 'Why?' And they said, 'It's the way we've been brought up'."
Prof Dawkins said the failure in classrooms meant religious fanatics had a chance to get hold.
And that is about the jist of 360bhp's argument. My book says la la la la and I'm not going to listen to the evidence. I wonder why people are afraid of what the evidence points at. Secondly, with regard to the OP this is exactly why we don't want religion in schools. It teaches nonsense with regard to science.
"Reality is what it is, not what you want it to be." Frank Zappa. ----------- "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." Huang Po.----------- "A drowsy line of wasted time bathes my open mind", - Ride.
kopite (26-08-2008)
Wow, for once I can't say I disagree with anything you said in that post.
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Holy Roller.
QFT
i few weeks back i viewed a video on youtube called something like
we should teach creationisum in schools
at first i thought this guy is an idiot, but as i watched the video, he goes on to explain that if we teach all the different creation idea's from all the world cultures, kids would see how they are just peoples imagination and nothing more..
i wish i could find the link.
You were doing so well and then one little n makes you sound like a plank
religion does belong in schools and does belong in society. as an option. to be taught at the same time as everything else. let the child believe what he or she sees as correct in their minds.
Just two questions.
1. Why?
2. Why not Scientology, Paganism, Satanism or Pastafarianism as well? In fact, why not any other half baked myth from the last 5000 years.
HEXUS FOLDING TEAM It's EASY
That would be, that all religions are taught but not preached in schools.
When I was at school R.E was compulsary up until year 9, which allows students to become aware of many religions.
Fact of the matter is, most people are born into their religion, the choice is theres eventually but chances are you are going to be stuck with what your family have chosen.
Trust a child to make up their own mind based on what they see as correct?
Yeah right, then why are the NHS telling parents not to smoke in front of their children? Because children don't have conscious ability to decide what's right from wrong, they'll do as the adults do.
In my opinion it's child abuse to threaten a child with eternal damnation if they don't follow words from a book, you wouldn't threaten your child with a beating stick to do as they're told so why preach to them religion?
Schools teaching religion is child abuse at a greater scale, "their decision" to follow a religion is made by you, the adult and not the child. By teaching religion in schools you're essentially forcing them into a life you choose.
maybe we should get get some Gypsy women in to teach how to use the crystal ball.
Eileen Drury to teach faith healing.
David Icke to teach how the royal family are lizards.
We could have exorcism classes for kid that are afraid of the dark.
kids could be taught feng shui so all your ikea stuff is in harmony
Uri Geller to teach Spoon bending
David Blane could show the kids how to live in an ice cube
Holocaust denial could be taught (let them make their own minds up)
could teach that king Arthur was real and Excalibur is still in some lake somewhere.
That Hobbits lived in middle earth, and Mordor is very real indeed.
what do you think???
Last edited by j1979; 27-08-2008 at 12:28 AM.
is that the dude from peep show in the reflection?
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