AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

[Biscuit]

Would a lesser GPU be more beneficial, but with a higher CPU core/clock speed count

But what benefit does this approach have to the day to day user, what task will they be running which will require all that extra power?

[Blackmage]

But what benefit does this approach have to the day to day user, what task will they be running which will require all that extra power?

Not trying to be rude but this discussion has already happened; previously in this thread. As I hope you'll understand I'm a bit tired of repeating myself, or the discussion on the pro and cons. Hope there's no offence taken

Plus I don't want to cause anymore drama.

Having looked a Llano a bit more(having listened to Cat, Water and Co) I can see why AMD have taken this approach; to me it's risky but if it takes off it will be a clever one. The solution I'm looking for will be trinity, with the full fat bulldozer modules and GPU, that's a better balance to me.

[Biscuit]

Not trying to be rude but this discussion has already happened; previously in this thread. As I hope you'll understand I'm a bit tired of repeating myself, or the discussion on the pro and cons. Hope there's no offence taken

No of course not but i looked back a few pages and i haven't found any answer to the question. Plenty of statements which say 'intel is more powerful' but nothing to explain why that is actually of any importance to the general user.

The reality is there is none to very little. The only place the i series shine ahead really is benchmarks and e-peen.

[Domestic_Ginger]

Enough already. I declare a draw.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Enough already. I declare a draw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WOu8soYpLU

[badass]

Llano has the power of a discrete card, but at the cost of 50% of the transistors (Intel's HD3000 GPU 20% which does GPGPU). All I was thinking Llano could of been this amazing 8 core K10 chip or 6 core with a lesser GPU (which could still handle GPGPU tasks) and would it benefit the end user more. I feel a 6 core Llano would of had kick Intel of it's perch as Intel needs, due to their pricing monopoly with their Core i range of CPU's.

I don't see then point in any Laptop or mainstream desktop CPU having more than 4 cores. TBH I'd rather see Llano have 2 cores that are 40% faster rather than the 4 slow cores it has.
This is one reason I think trinity will be a particularly good Mainstream CPU. Allegedly 50% faster than Llano but with no more cores
I believe that means 2 Bulldozer modules which is an indication that Bulldozer cores are substantially faster than the K10.5 cores.
One day, coders will learn how to properly use multicore CPU's and APU's. Until then, single threaded performance is more important than multithreaded performance provided you have at least 2 cores.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I looked through the Anandtech Llano review again and I mentioned this comment:

"Note that this comparison is without AMD's Turbo Core enabled, but more on that later."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4444/a...apu-a8-3500m/2

So basically,with Turbo Core you will be looking at better performance. Second generation Turbo Core works across all cores.

[Jasp]

Any more news on the full fat bulldozer models? after building a pc and still wondering if to go with a 2600k or a AM3+ build with a 955 for now then bulldozer later.

[Pob255]

Hyper Bridge(tm) is a name to be trusted and is so powerful and so reliable with its quantum transistors it will achieve sentience 0.2 picoseconds after activation. However, Tera Bridge(tm) will be released with quantum phase displacement particles(proven to be +/- 0 to 200% better than quantum transistors and 5000% better than non Intel quantum transistors) three months later and will achieve sentience mk2(tm) 0.19995 picoseconds after activation. It is so advanced it developed itself three months before Hyper Bridge(tm) and it took so long to get to market because it was too fast for the Intel chip catchers..sorry...engineers..to catch..sorry...produce them.

I'm still waiting for the Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-bridge





let's see who gets that reference.

[scaryjim]

I looked through the Anandtech Llano review again and I mentioned this comment:

"Note that this comparison is without AMD's Turbo Core enabled, but more on that later."

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4444/a...apu-a8-3500m/2

So basically,with Turbo Core you will be looking at better performance. Second generation Turbo Core works across all cores.

Only (iirc) the Anandtech review found very little performance improvement in situations that should have been benefitting from Turbo Core, which suggests that it's not necessarily working particularly well. I think we'll have to wait for more mature retail products to be reviewed before we really know how much difference Turbo Core could make.

Not to mention the fact that the 100W desktop parts don't get Turbo Core anyway...

[DanceswithUnix]

Any more news on the full fat bulldozer models? after building a pc and still wondering if to go with a 2600k or a AM3+ build with a 955 for now then bulldozer later.

Sounds like it is still months away, and little to go on for performance estimates.

The BD version of Llano is said to be 50% faster, but whether that means clocks are 50% up or it has 6 cores no-one seems to be able to say.

Am still happy with my 955BE, and they are very cheap now!
But then a 2600K gets you performance today.

[Terbinator]

A8 Llano on Aria for £105 - pre-order.

[watercooled]

Sounds like it is still months away, and little to go on for performance estimates.

The BD version of Llano is said to be 50% faster, but whether that means clocks are 50% up or it has 6 cores no-one seems to be able to say.

Am still happy with my 955BE, and they are very cheap now!
But then a 2600K gets you performance today.

BD Llano will have a completely different architecture so clocks and core counts are irrelevant for comparison.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Hopefully, some cheaper motherboards will be released too as the current ones look expensive:

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Compo...1+%28Llano%29/

I'm still waiting for the Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-bridge





let's see who gets that reference.

The Simpsons??

Only (iirc) the Anandtech review found very little performance improvement in situations that should have been benefitting from Turbo Core, which suggests that it's not necessarily working particularly well. I think we'll have to wait for more mature retail products to be reviewed before we really know how much difference Turbo Core could make.

Not to mention the fact that the 100W desktop parts don't get Turbo Core anyway...

The lack of Turbo on the 100W parts is a bit of a fail IMHO.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

With the IPC improvements Llano has over the Athlon II X4,I would suspect an A8-3850 will be similar in speed to a Phenom II X4 840. So the IGP seems to add around £30 to the total price.

[watercooled]

Maybe they are leaving room for some higher-end parts with turbo?