Who's waiting for Nvidia Fermi

[dangel]

Dark Void is the latest PhysX games I'm playing. As the video shows, it's pretty obvious that PhysX enhances the gaming experience significantly.

You can discount PhysX all you like

Again, Rollo - you're just not listening. I'm not saying physics isn't 'great' - in fact I FRICKIN LOVE the idea of it in games. I'm not even saying Physx itself is crap - it's about this:

Problem really is that nVidia are making things like physx obscure - by limiting it to their own hardware they've opened the door for someone like microsoft to simple step in and implement a generic physics engine in directx which replaces it. And in all honesty that would be far better for everyone (bar nVidia) as we can then potentially choose which hardware does the work - cpu, gpu, physx discrete card etc. Worse, it forces 'bolt on' mentality for the developers - rather than basing games entirely round physx it's tacked on to the game when nvidia fronts the money (no doubt).

and:

PhsyX might as well be called 'Glide' if you know your history.. ironic given what happened to 3dfx.

Throwaway comments about half arsed bits of physics (cobwebs and flappy cloth) are related to it (and seem to catch your eye) but really they're a result of the politics of a closed source third party solution that is entirely likely to get wiped out by Direct Physics if MS steps in or by an open scalable system which targets 100% of your market rather than n%. Hence talking about Glide, and hence the irony cos nVidia were once pitted head to head against 3dfx and preaching to all and sundry about how it was far better to have a unified API for 3d! If ATI were pushing their own 3rd party physics API or intel got traction with havok (and it only worked on their own hardware) it'd be equally as daft for us end users for all the reasons I've mentioned. It's not that difficult really is it? Techinical merits aside, the politics of nVidia's physx are making it obscure. Simple.

[MadduckUK]

destructable environments, smoke, particles, debris, weather, etc.

yep, red faction guerrilla was pretty fun, certainly didn't need nvidia

[Biscuit]

I think Rollo is actually stuck in time groundhog day style... destined to repeat the same days forum posts until he eventually understands the basic priciples we are tying to express.

[shaithis]

To be fair, I am sure most people would be singing the praises of a company that keeps giving them free stuff. I am sure in his eyes, they can't do much wrong and it clouds your judgement to the point where you will believe any piece of propaganda or FUD.

It's understandable to some degree but it's still annoying

[Terbinator]

lol @ n%.

[Rollo]

Again, Rollo - you're just not listening. I'm not saying physics isn't 'great' - in fact I FRICKIN LOVE the idea of it in games. I'm not even saying Physx itself is crap - it's about this:



and:



Throwaway comments about half arsed bits of physics (cobwebs and flappy cloth) are related to it (and seem to catch your eye) but really they're a result of the politics of a closed source third party solution that is entirely likely to get wiped out by Direct Physics if MS steps in or by an open scalable system which targets 100% of your market rather than n%. Hence talking about Glide, and hence the irony cos nVidia were once pitted head to head against 3dfx and preaching to all and sundry about how it was far better to have a unified API for 3d! If ATI were pushing their own 3rd party physics API or intel got traction with havok (and it only worked on their own hardware) it'd be equally as daft for us end users for all the reasons I've mentioned. It's not that difficult really is it? Techinical merits aside, the politics of nVidia's physx are making it obscure. Simple.

I disagree dangel.

Actually the "politics" of PhysX have made it the most prevalent GPU accelerated physics related add on in the world.

NVIDIA is doing all they can to advance physics effects in gaming: they bought a physics oriented company (Agiea), they adapted Agiea's tech to their GPUs, they lend developers their programmers and QA staff, and in geneal, invest a lot in physics effects so their customers can have them.

I'd say if anyone is making the tech "more obscure", it's ATi and Intel, who aren't helping devs bring the technology to market for their customers like NVIDIA is.

We can't assume developers would even want NVIDIA to open up the drivers to ATi cards- if the mix of hardware were to cause their games to crash, the resulting bad publicity might hurt their current and future sales.

How will NVIDIA, or their customers, be "hurt" if another company steps in with an open form of physics effects? The NVIDIA cards will still run all the "open" games, plus the PhysX games, so it will still be an advantage to have a NVIDIA card.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

[dangel]

I disagree dangel.

Yes but for no good reason other than to be a shill. Nothing you've said has persuaded anyone on here - the reason is simple: it's complete rubbish. If you don't believe me, start a poll and see the result. Obviously even then you'd tell us black is white yadda yadda.

There's a point where one has to realise when one's wasting one's time. I'm like, totally there! whoo! Ya'll enjoy the echo in yer own heard, ya hear?

[dangel]

lol @ n%.

hehehe subconcious I assure you - i'm a programmer by nature/living - I hadn't seen it in that light!

[Rollo]

Yes but for no good reason other than to be a shill. Nothing you've said has persuaded anyone on here - the reason is simple: it's complete rubbish. If you don't believe me, start a poll and see the result. Obviously even then you'd tell us black is white yadda yadda.

There's a point where one has to realise when one's wasting one's time. I'm like, totally there! whoo! Ya'll enjoy the echo in yer own heard, ya hear?

So are off topic personal attacks how you get the 5 star Hexus rating here?

Couldn't think of any response to what I said I guess, must be frustrating for you.

[Biscuit]

OK Rollo, tell ya what if it makes you feel better...

You won the argument


Now go and celebrate by bragging your Nvidia E-Peen on a forum that gives a damn

PS. Dont worry lads he didnt really win but i thought this might not have been tried yet.

[neonplanet40]

OK Rollo, tell ya what if it makes you feel better...

You won the argument


Now go and celebrate by bragging your Nvidia E-Peen on a forum that gives a damn

PS. Dont worry lads he didnt really win but i thought this might not have been tried yet.

Nah this is fun, Rollo, Nvidia suck!!

No but seriously These guys are making valid claims and your just acting like a fanboy which is what they expect from you. So i guess in another way your also being unoriginal and boring too......

[Bugbait]

No but seriously These guys are making valid claims and your just acting like a fanboy which is what they expect from you. So i guess in another way your also being unoriginal and boring too......

I would've gone with "troll" but "fanboy" will do.

[Georgy291]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGCZtXg5LyA

Dark Void is the latest PhysX games I'm playing. As the video shows, it's pretty obvious that PhysX enhances the gaming experience significantly.

You can discount PhysX all you like, but the cloth, cobwebs, destructable environments, smoke, particles, debris, weather, etc. all make for a more immersive environment and move gaming beyond the daysof yore where shooting a rocket into a box at best left a dark stain on the box, and cobwebs were rigid pictures of cobwebs with the clipping on the picture turned off. (so you walk through them like a ghost passing through walls)

is it just me or does anyone else miss the point in that vid?

i mean yeah theres more smoke and bits flying around, but is it really worth paying for more expnsive cards for that?

[Rollo]

And still no one can respond to any of my points, so in mature and community minded fashion, you call names like kids on a schoolyard.

Fact: While NVIDIA may be technically making PhysX "more obscure" by limiting it to their hardware, they are also proliferating GPU accelerated PhysX far more than any other firm has to date. This is irrefutable as no other company has GPU accelerate physics.

While it's nice ATi owners want NVIDIAto spend the money to QA their hardware, consider that they'd have to QA Matrox, Intel, S3, and any other currently shipping graphics hardware as well. The cost and time to do this might be prohibitive. So is gaming better off having GPU accelerated PhysX for one brand, or no brands? I'm a "glass half full" kind of person, I'd say we're better off with it on one brand.

I'd also note that I doubt anyone here was complaining about ATi implementing proprietary TruForm, and not helping NVIDIA users get similar curved surfaces.

It's also irrefutable that while PhysX may indeed someday be eclipsed by an open method, NVIDIA owners will benefit from PhysX till then, and continue benefitting afterwards.

[Rollo]

is it just me or does anyone else miss the point in that vid?

i mean yeah theres more smoke and bits flying around, but is it really worth paying for more expnsive cards for that?

You can extend that logic to "Why would anyone buy higher res monitors, faster cards capable of higher levels of AA?".

You spend money on gaming hardware to get a better, more realistic experience.