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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

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    Its KoolPC (come on, you're telling me you didn't notice?!) - so he firmly fits into both camps.
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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by format View Post
    Pardon my scepticism but with all the FUD going around about MCAT right now I think I'll wait until there has been a single proven case (I'm talking toxicology reports etc) that MCAT has been the cause of death. Note that I don't mean where MCAT has exacerbated an existing condition.
    I understand your scepticism, but please bear with me...

    It is becoming quite an issue around Teeside given the number of high profile cases, not to mention what it could be cut with as with any illegal drug, and in an area like Teeside I doubt it's the purest MCAT available...

    I firmly believe most drugs should be legal. Prohibition is the cause of the underworld scene, the taboo culture of not talking about usage, what it is cut with and the consumption from recreational users. There are certain drugs I feel should be illegal, mainly the addictive ones such as meth, heroin etc.

    Legalisation leads to drugs being thoroughly researched and then controlled, standards of production and active control over substances, it's harder for a 16 year old to get cigarettes or alcohol than it is for them to gain access to illegal drugs. It also allows taxing in order to pay for the care required for the users and others.

    If all drugs were reclassified I wouldn't be surprised if alcohol became class A, tobacco being class C and certain other narcotics being totally legalised simply due to the deaths related to the misuse as well as the cost to the state with the police, paramedics/ambulance staff (living in one of the stag capitals of Europe I have seen some pretty nasty things from people who cannot drink responsibly) and members of the public suffering due to the misuse of others
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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by finlay666 View Post
    it's harder for a 16 year old to get cigarettes or alcohol than it is for them to gain access to illegal drugs.
    Rubbish. Have you been out in the night lately? A 16 year old can get hold of alcohol and drugs as easily as buying sweets. I know as i have worked in a young offenders institute and have worked with a wide rang of youngsters from all backgrounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by format View Post
    Answer my question please - what is so undesirable about those side effects I listed?
    It would be useful in the future to reference the source the information (in this case Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Side_effects), to save others the time of of Googling themselves.

    It seems that you have conveniently left out the section on less wonderful side effects, after effects and overdose (I know the argument, you can overdose on virtually anything - but to that I would say that you are far more likely to overdose on something that have those lovely subjective effects than most thing without). And there is more on this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects...the_human_body - again not exactly all positive.

    I am going to ask one question. Do you think that all drugs should be legalised?

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    You'll have to wait for Format to 'come down' before he can answer that question!! lol

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by psu1 View Post
    Rubbish. Have you been out in the night lately? A 16 year old can get hold of alcohol and drugs as easily as buying sweets. I know as i have worked in a young offenders institute and have worked with a wide rang of youngsters from all backgrounds.
    Well I know places in Newcastle are a LOT more strict on admittance, mainly because a lot of the clubs who were letting underage kids in were given a warning and now the bouncers are much keener on getting ID, despite my girlfriend and myself being over 21 we usually get asked for ID on a night out except where we personally know the bouncers and they know we are old enough
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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by finlay666 View Post
    I understand your scepticism, but please bear with me...

    It is becoming quite an issue around Teeside given the number of high profile cases, not to mention what it could be cut with as with any illegal drug, and in an area like Teeside I doubt it's the purest MCAT available...

    I firmly believe most drugs should be legal. Prohibition is the cause of the underworld scene, the taboo culture of not talking about usage, what it is cut with and the consumption from recreational users. There are certain drugs I feel should be illegal, mainly the addictive ones such as meth, heroin etc.

    Legalisation leads to drugs being thoroughly researched and then controlled, standards of production and active control over substances, it's harder for a 16 year old to get cigarettes or alcohol than it is for them to gain access to illegal drugs. It also allows taxing in order to pay for the care required for the users and others.

    If all drugs were reclassified I wouldn't be surprised if alcohol became class A, tobacco being class C and certain other narcotics being totally legalised simply due to the deaths related to the misuse as well as the cost to the state with the police, paramedics/ambulance staff (living in one of the stag capitals of Europe I have seen some pretty nasty things from people who cannot drink responsibly) and members of the public suffering due to the misuse of others
    Good post, I agree with what you've said there.

    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    It would be useful in the future to reference the source the information (in this case Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA#Side_effects), to save others the time of of Googling themselves.

    It seems that you have conveniently left out the section on less wonderful side effects, after effects and overdose (I know the argument, you can overdose on virtually anything - but to that I would say that you are far more likely to overdose on something that have those lovely subjective effects than most thing without). And there is more on this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects...the_human_body - again not exactly all positive.

    I am going to ask one question. Do you think that all drugs should be legalised?

    All drugs should certainly be decriminalised. Look at what decriminalisation has done for Portugal. Legalisation for all drugs is a tricky one. I've probably made my position clear on MDMA/cannabis though.


    Leaving out the 'less wonderful' side effects was indeed convenient, and not done for the benefit of some underhand tactic as you seem to imply. The negative effects of most illegal drugs are far less than that of tobacco and especially alcohol, and as such weren't relevant my argument at the time.

    As for those of MDMA - most of those effects listed are either temporary inconvenient, rare, or only dangerous because of a pre-existing medical condition.

    Like Prof Nutt said, taking MDMA is just as dangerous as riding a horse.
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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

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    Well, we all know what you are. A drug user who tries to get everyone else to join the bandwagon!! lol
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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

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    How many people have suffered death or permanent brain damage directly because of MCAT?
    AFAIK none. I was being more general than that really. We know that E is pretty much harmless; those who have died while under the influence did so for other reasons. There were a lot of derivatives of E and K and going around though, that contained all sorts of rubbish from incomplete reaction of the substrates. These tended to cause side-effects that were minor in themselves, but fatal when combined with dehydration followed by a sudden influx of alcohol. There were deaths that were directly attributable to the drug, though if the users had sat at home watching TV they may have been OK.

    Lots of E used to be sold that was adulterated with a potentially dangerous combination of ketamine, ephedrine and selegiline, that even David Nutt though should be treated as dangerous. People bought it as E, but suffered palpitations, cold sweating, rapid blood pressure drops and loss of muscle tension; all potentially fatal at a party where vigorous dancing and alcohol are the norm.

    That's why I would like to see a rational government approach to recreational drug use. It's not going to happen any time soon, but one doesn't give up pushing for it, just because a load of anal-retentive, waste of time politicians fear losing votes.

    By the way, I am growing my own two cannabis plants in the south of France (A Midnight Kush and a Blue Hash, both rare hybrids). I have permission from the police and the mayor of my village. I thought it was worth asking, and they said 'Oui!'. I will keep the crop to myself, of course, but I like that the police were willing to give me permission, provided the product never leaves my property. Sometimes the law-enforcers are more sensible than the Law makers.

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    Re: Should recreational drug use be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brucelles View Post
    It's not going to happen any time soon
    Actually I hope it might be pushed. We are already seeing a large number of alternatives to MCAT.

    Maybe this time they will realise the problems of banning something which has such high consumer demand.
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