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    Bit stingy on the base specs

    no gig lan
    no bluetooth has standard
    256mb ram ???? like wtf
    4200rpm hdd....god that is going to crawl
    no fw 800
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    It might look nice but the specs are just too low.

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    Where are you getting the HD spec from?
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    I think he's guessing based on what their laptops are equipped with. Common sense dictates 7200RPM, but we are talking about Apple, not common sense.

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    am not m8, just thats what it's looking like.

    Think of it this way they want to keep thermals down so there bound to use a 4200rpm hdd.

    7200 ones make too much heat.

    Having said that i have used some 4200 with 8mb cache and they where pritty nippy

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    I think he's guessing based on what their laptops are equipped with. Common sense dictates 7200RPM, but we are talking about Apple, not common sense.

    Basicly

    I was looking fwd to this but now am dissapointed.

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    Agreed, on first glance it looked good - Mac for £339. On closer inspection, 60gig and 256MB of RAM is insane. The RAM I can live with, it's cheap enough to upgrade. The hard drive will be a sticking point, and I just wish Apple would list proper specs for their systems, rather than half-specs.

    And once you start building them up to a decent spec to use as a primary system, they become very expensive indeed. I can't see this being the machine to take market share that Apple need.

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    The HDD does not bother much so much it's the rest of the system that seems lacking

    Like you said to take it to a decent system you looking at adding at least 300 on top just to get what you want.

    But then this is the apple tax after all.

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    Agreed 256 Mb is poor but absolutely expected. For £389 with 512 Mb its not bad at all, IMO.

    You have to go two or three steps up the line with most laptops to get to 512Mb (and even then its 2x256, meaning any upgrade means trashing some). Thats over £1000, folks. Show me something for £340 with 512Mb RAM. This laptop I'm using now came with 128Mb and its only...oh I dunno how old now.

    Depends what you want. Its got a proper graphics chip. Its small and quiet.

    How many mini-itx systems have you seen that come with bluetooth and wireless lan built in?

    Two USB ports - okay, but thats what hubs are for. How many devices are you going to hang off that chain to completely use up the bandwidth? Video input? Begs the question as to whether there are two 480MBps channels, and whether the bluetooth device will be sitting on one of them.

    Slow HDD sure. Consumer Apples, and don't for a second think this is not going to use consumer hence low end parts, always have the basics. Thats what firewire is for, IMO. I used to run my iBook G3/700 off an external drive in a firewire enclosure. Firewire tops out at 50 megabytes per second. Ok ATA 133 can do 133 megabytes per second....shame no disk drives can (okay I'm a little out of the loop with disk tests, I know RAID stuff can easily beat that, but I'm right in thinking even the 10k SATA disks probably average under 100 Mbps?).

    How the hell is Gigabit lan consumer? Gb is for very well done offices. And it is supposed (I am sure I read, somewhere) to only give like 30% over 100Mb in real life?

    Firewire 800? I haven't even seen a FW800 pci card, except in Mac circles!

    I'm not having a go (much ) but I do think expectations seem to have been a little high. Yeah I guess I'm a little biased (I have one ordered), but then I like OSX. I work with PCs of all descriptions (well ok...Toshibas and Dells and Compaqs, so not really) all day, and own a Tosh lappy and self-built A-64 box. £340 is NOT much money these days. Especially for mum to do her emails on.
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    Quite tempted to get one but would need to get a screen as well. Thats £140 or so, so would cost about £550 odd. Still very good if you were thinknig of gettign a mac in the first place though, but found the price for a full system was prohibitive.

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    Well I think the Mac mini is great. I plan to get the G4 1.25GHz as I don’t need the extra 170MHz ( 1.42Ghz ) and I don’t mind that it only has a 40GB hdd as I have network storage . However one problem I can see is that Apple says “Memory upgrade must be performed by an Apple Authorized Service provider” dose this mean that I can’t upgrade the memory myself?

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    guys, some of you are missing the point.....

    this is designed to replace the aging PC that joe public has at home, yet use his monitor/keyb/mouse etc.

    so he ain't gonna care about a 4200rpm drive, or the fact it has 256mb when he's moving up from a PIII 550 with a 30gb hdd etc.

    Look at it that way, and it's VERY cheap.

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    Was just rechecking the Apple Store UK and I don't seem to get any discount at all as a student customer on the shuffle or the mini. Someone mentioned they found them with discounts but I can't and a friend wants a shuffle...any ideas? We don't have an Oxford institutional store thing by the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by lll_James_lll
    However one problem I can see is that Apple says “Memory upgrade must be performed by an Apple Authorized Service provider” dose this mean that I can’t upgrade the memory myself?
    Well I reckon that stuff is so tightly packed in there that Apple fear people will break stuff if they start poking around. We'll have to wait until we get a look inside.
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    you go into pc world theyd charge someone £700 or sommat daft for a complete new system, all they have to do with this is use existing monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers, swap the old grey box for this lovely new silver SFF, very cheap upgrade, and increased the space... i can totally see the point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caged
    I just wish Apple would list proper specs for their systems, rather than half-specs.
    Ermm..

    http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/specs.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickers
    Was just rechecking the Apple Store UK and I don't seem to get any discount at all as a student customer on the shuffle or the mini. Someone mentioned they found them with discounts but I can't and a friend wants a shuffle...any ideas? We don't have an Oxford institutional store thing by the way
    well click on the education store (top right usually) put in your university name and the town, and you'll get about £20 off the mini mac

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