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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    I am looking forward to some interesting reviews of what ever is released this month.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Linux can run real-time, though generally that is turned off as in a desktop OS you want throughput more than guaranteed latency, and ISTR some PC hardware like old IDE drives can stall the system and mess things up so you have to be careful on what you put in the machine.
    Well, the Linux kernel wouldn't be my first choice if designing a new OS... A nano kernel like Minix with re-loadable drivers etc seems far better.

    My cleansheet OS would be real-time with a nano not-monolithic kernel, have built in CLI type thing from the beginning structured so that using a C#, Basic, Java etc. type language is transparent, 3D from the beginning. But Linux/Unix is like C: a fairly ok idea at the time (in both cases if you ignore the syntax), now getting a bit old but full of so much inertia it will keep going for ages. Still, Windows is a kludge too. Both are very entrenched and it looks like the ideas from 1970s are not going anywhere soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    As for consoles, I presume with the XBox you get low spec hardware *and* windows running on top so worst of both worlds?
    Well certainly the mess which is DirectX but might the kernel not be WinCE? WinCE is in the Wiki list of RTOS (as is Symbian - ironic since Android isn't really).

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    Well, the Linux kernel wouldn't be my first choice if designing a new OS... A nano kernel like Minix with re-loadable drivers etc seems far better.

    My cleansheet OS would be real-time with a nano not-monolithic kernel, have built in CLI type thing from the beginning structured so that using a C#, Basic, Java etc. type language is transparent, 3D from the beginning. But Linux/Unix is like C: a fairly ok idea at the time (in both cases if you ignore the syntax), now getting a bit old but full of so much inertia it will keep going for ages. Still, Windows is a kludge too. Both are very entrenched and it looks like the ideas from 1970s are not going anywhere soon.



    Well certainly the mess which is DirectX but might the kernel not be WinCE? WinCE is in the Wiki list of RTOS (as is Symbian - ironic since Android isn't really).
    I wrote one once for an embedded printer controller, not as much fun as it sounds. I went monolithic, many people seem to equate that with "the code must be ugly and unmaintainable" but really that doesn't have to be the case.

    WinCE was certainly what a few games used on the Dreamcast, don't own an Xbox but thought it was an embedded NT kernel on there. Certainly WinCE is dead on phones now, so I presume it is being killed off entirely.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    QNX has been used as a desktop OS, and is the basis of the playbook OS and BlackBerry 10 - the OS that new high-end BB phones now sport. It probably wouldn't take much work to add a desktop-friendly UI layer on top of it (and it works very well on the playbook ).

    Win CE is used on some cheap chinese OEM netbooks, which is pretty close to a desktop environment (in as much as you get a keyboard, a mouse and a screen).

    But otherwise there's nothing of real note in there...

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    BF4 is an AMD Gaming Evolved title:

    http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/preorder/

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    It was quite some time ago I read up on it so I could be mistaken, but IIRC the 360's 'OS' is more akin to a BIOS, with the game itself including some of the stuff you'd expect an OS to handle, stuff like memory management and CPU scheduling for example. Don't forget the system software only has something like 16MB of flash to exist on, and a very limited amount of RAM to run in, but I recall MS saying the 'cut down Windows kernel' rumour was a misconception, saying it was instead purpose-built for the console, or at least heavily modified to the extent it bears little resemblance to the original.

    Phone basebands are another example of where real-time OSes are used - aside from the application core and OS, the SoC will have another system using something like ARM7, or Cortex A5 in newer devices, managing core functions like the radio interfaces/GSM stack which need to be well-timed and separate from applications for security and stability reasons.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    my 1090 is @ 3.7 , and im still waiting for move on - cant see any need atm

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The latest SC2 expansion tested:

    http://gamegpu.ru/images/stories/Tes...sc2%20proz.png

    As expected the Intel CPUs,are ahead,but the improvements of the newer AMD CPUs over the previous ones are massive.

    TH,saw something similar with the latest WoW expansion too.

    Edit!!

    They seem to get much higher framerates with all the CPUs during the beta:

    http://gamegpu.ru/images/stories/Tes...sc2%20proz.png

    I wonder if it is a different area they tested??
    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyBoy View Post
    Would you all say that an 8350 fx is a good upgrade from a 1090t overclocked at 3.8ghz? Or would it be a minimal difference? I only game here and there, except Diablo 3 which I'm pretty addicted to still!
    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    my 1090 is @ 3.7 , and im still waiting for move on - cant see any need atm
    In Blizzard games the FX CPUs are a massive improvement.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    BF4 is running on an HD7990:

    http://www.legitreviews.com/news/15327/

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    So 3GB VRAM is a go, then?

    Dat' first comment.
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    for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    cat - that's only SC2 - no one has tested the new FX chips on D3 or WOW (and likely wont bother , since pretty much everywhere was written them off!)

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    The games or the CPUs?

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    cat - that's only SC2 - no one has tested the new FX chips on D3 or WOW (and likely wont bother , since pretty much everywhere was written them off!)
    Its the latest expansion. The review site had not renamed the graphs:

    http://gamegpu.ru/rts-/-strategii/st...-test-gpu.html

    Latest WoW expansion:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...k,3348-13.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    So 3GB VRAM is a go, then?

    Dat' first comment.
    AFAIK.

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    It looks like the GT3e is not coming to Ultrabooks:

    http://chinese.vr-zone.com/56926/int...mory-03252013/

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    Re: AMD - Piledriver chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    The games or the CPUs?
    Zing!
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    for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.

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