Oh Dear....
Welcome back Rollo.
So many statements to poke holes into...
So little will to try to bother
Oh Dear....
Welcome back Rollo.
So many statements to poke holes into...
So little will to try to bother
"nvidia is going to offer something at say £300 which is equivilant to a £200 amd gpu, i dont know many people who would pay £100 more for a little extra.... You said yourself companies dont aim for people on forums like these and actually to the general public and yet the public wouldnt worry about the extras as they dont know what it does! "
Well according to the poll I have made on Hexus a lot of people will not spend over £200 on a graphics card with many actually preferring not to spend more than £150 usually and this is on a hardware forum. This reflects what I have seen in real life with almost all the PC gamers I have known. Also most PC components shops in the UK also tend to stock graphics cards in this range with anything over £150 to £200 usually having to be specially ordered in. The only people I know who spend over £200 on a graphics cards seem to be hardware enthusiasts.
It is fine going on about HD5870,HD5970,GTX360 and GTX380 cards but I still suspect these will be still over £200 even in three months time and really not relevant to most PC gamers. TBH,even the HD5850 was to expensive for a long time and is now going back towards the £200 mark or less.
3D gaming whether it is done on any company's hardware is pointless ATM since you need special monitors which are more expensive than their non-3D equivalents. The only time when the tech is going to become popular is when the cost of 3D capable monitors is very close to that of the equivalent non-3D capable version and even then technologies where glasses are not needed is coming out soon which negates the need to be spending extra money on and wearing 3D glasses.
Of course then there is the threat of consoles too which don't need to be upgraded, are guaranteed to run the games developed for them well and the hardware last for yonks. Plenty of PC gamers are know gravitating towards consoles for these very reasons.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 19-01-2010 at 03:04 PM.
Nvidia doesnt really offer the multi display experience in the same way as ATI as you need to have dual card setups (SLI) for it to work with more than 2 displays. You can run up to 6 off each ATI card i believe.
Admitadly if you pushing that number of pixels your going to want dual cards (if you using a 200 series model) but i would expect a fermi to be able to run at least 3 at decent enough frame rate... but its capped at 2 FAIL!
Very interesting Poll over at Ars.
http://arstechnica.com/media/news/20...out-for-3d.ars
It appears that no-one gives a rats about 3D.
Society's to blame,
Or possibly Atari.
Sorry But I'm getting a bit sick of this eyefinity is brillent, 3d is rubbish and costs more rubbish.
Yes you need a 120khz capable monitor, Dual link DVI cable and the glasses to run 3d, and yes they are more expensive than most monitors, which are 60-75khz
However to run eyefinity you NEED a display port monitor, low and behold there's also very few monitors currently out that have display port and they are all MORE expensive than most monitors.
When you look at the price differences a high refresh rate monitor that you need for 3d is not really more expensive than the monitor with display port you need for eyefinity.
Looking at the total for a single screen 3d setup and a 3 screen eyefinity setup guess which is going to have the higher total?
One thing I will say is that nvidia really does seem to have just tagged the triple monitor setup on at the end because Ati did it and it's proving more popular than they thought.
By the reports nvidia cards cannot support 3 monitors on one card but need 2 in sli, although by the sounds of it you can use any old 3 monitors, there doesn't have to be any thing special about them at all.
To use the 3d surround however you'd need 3 high refresh rate monitors, this setup is going to be expensive.
On top of this there's also a performance hit due to the double render nature of 3, combine that with a 3 monitor out put and performance is going to take a massive hit.
Fermi is going to have to be very very beefy to susstain that, however if you cannot afford a pair top end cards you'd not be able to afford the cost of the setup.
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Actually, you do not need a DP monitor, you can get a DP > DVI adapter.
But otherwise you are correct....the main difference that I see though between the 2 techs though? A lot of people already have 2 monitors and even if you don't, it's cheaper to buy another then it is to replace your current screen.
At the end of the day, both are gimmicks for now at least.....and neither feature is going to make or break the two companies.
Once 3D gets a lot better then it is now, it could potentially sway a lot of peoples opinions, although it has a fair way to go yet IMO.
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Haha!! Looks like ATI is also having a stab at 3D technology too:
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10576.html
Yep, but you need an ACTIVE display port adaptor which is around £100 or about the same amount extra to get a Display port monitor over a normal one.
However I do agree these are pritty much just gimicks atm
the one technology I'd of like to seen persued thurver was dual polarisation monitors, Like the Zalman Trimon, as this requires no special syncing of the glasses to screen and no added flickering
Granted they where not cheap and required an nvidia card (driver support) but still is probably the best way to do 3d
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I kind of agree, although I would have stopped there.
Eyefinity, and 3D are in my mind gimmicks and I'm not interested in them. I followed the PhysX news when it first came to light, but never to the point of purchasing dedicated hardware. IMHO, those are enthusiast features and hence a waste of time and money for the masses. I don't care about CUDA, rarely use AA etc (although with a 7800 and 3870 I have little choice ).
I want something that'll drive my 24" wide screen at nice rates without stuttering. I don't want to spend another 100 quid upgrading my PSU because the one I have doesn't have the balls. Most importantly, whilst a silent PC isn't a must, I'd rather not have a system that sounds like a Harrier Jump Jet.
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I'd allow it to sound like a Harrier, if I can strap missiles to it.
Society's to blame,
Or possibly Atari.
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We never know, perhaps nVidia found a use for all those unused Prescott heatsink/fans
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Anyway I am still hoping that the cards under the GTX360 are quite decent.
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