If your not a troll (heh as if) define crap? Define everyone? I've had a leadtek tv2000 expert, a hauppage 150, and I kept this as you call "crap" since it puls in channels far better, the PQ was better than both for the most part, a tad soft in some aspects only compared to the hauppage but the hauppage like leadtek was poor in pulling in channels even with a farily good signal, and even without the support for me it still works better.Originally Posted by nvening